[lbo-talk] Gulag thing - Chris is on to something (if by accident)

Peter Lavelle untimely_thoughts at yahoo.com
Thu Jun 23 15:52:38 PDT 2005


Go to sleep Chris.......

--- Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:


>
>
> BTW, with respect to a previous post, what do you
> think "Russian nationalism" means nowadays? I like
> to
> distinguish between "russkii natsionalizm" and
> "rosiisskii nationalizm" (for non-Russophones, the
> Russian language differentiates between ethnic
> Russians -- russkii -- and peoples of Russia --
> rosiisskii -- since Russia actually contains over
> 150
> different peoples and languages, of which ethnic
> Russians are only 80%, the rest being Tatars,
> Chuvash,
> Ossetes, Avars, Chechens, Ingush, Chukchi, Cossacks,
> Yakuts etc). Clearly ethnicity or something like
> Orthodoxy can't count (once again for
> non-Russophones,
> the indigenous Russian religions are Orthodoxy,
> Islam,
> Judaism, Buddhism and various forms of shamanism
> practiced by Siberian peoples).
>
> --- Peter Lavelle <untimely_thoughts at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Chris, I think you broach an accidental
> breakthrough
> > of sorts:
> >
> > "Solzhenitsyn is a Russian nationalist and a
> > Slavophile (in addition to being a great man
> > although
> > I
> > disagree with him 75% of the time). I doubt he
> > thinks
> > of himself as a "Western thinker.""
> >
> > Ditto, ditto and ditto.
> >
> > However, is it possible that there a different
> > paradigm
> > in play? Instead of accepting the Western
> experience
> > lock-stock-and barrel, shouldn't we be hoping and
> > expecting for (finally) a contemporary Russian
> > version
> > of Western liberalism? Clearly Solzhenitsyn is a
> > strange midwife for this (ref to Joanna's recent
> > post), but....
> >
> > I think, and call me crazy on this list, this is
> > what
> > Putin and Putinism is all about.
> >
> >
> > --- Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Solzhenitsyn is a Russian nationalist and a
> > > Slavophile
> > > (in addition to being a great man although I
> > > disagree
> > > with him 75% of the time). I doubt he thinks of
> > > himself as a "Western thinker."
> > >
> > > Nu, zayats, pogodi!
> > >
> > >
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