[lbo-talk] Social Democracy

[tfast at yorku.ca]

Leaving the question of revolutionary socialism to the side, it does strike me
that one is hard pressed to find an example, within advanced liberal
democracies, where SD's have not drifted to the center or right of center as
the case maybe when they have faced a viable electoral party to their left.

Try inverting that one Doug:)


> Carrol Cox wrote:
>
> >I have never seen on this list a single concrete suggestion as to how
> >social democratic goals can be achieved. It seems that the only argument
> >they have is that commumism won't work. But disproving Zeus doesn't
> >demonstrate Shiva's existence. Put differently, social democracy is
> >parasitic on revolutionary socialism, and without a revolutionary threat
> >social democrats are so many bits of old lavender.
>
> I have never seen on this list a single concrete suggestion as to how
> revolutionary socialism can be achieved. It seems that the only
> argument you have is that social democracy is unachievable. But
> disproving Shiva doesn't demonstrate Zeus's existence. Put
> differently, revolutionary socialism is parasitic on history and
> fantasy, and without a revolutionary movement revolutionary
> socialists are so many bits of surplus bile.
>
> Doug
>

I have always wanted to play this rhetorical trick on Heartfield

Travis