> Leaving the question of revolutionary socialism to the side, it does strike
> me
> that one is hard pressed to find an example, within advanced liberal
> democracies, where SD's have not drifted to the center or right of center as
> the case maybe when they have faced a viable electoral party to their left.
>
> Try inverting that one Doug:)
>
> > Carrol Cox wrote:
> >
> > >I have never seen on this list a single concrete suggestion as to how
> > >social democratic goals can be achieved. It seems that the only argument
> > >they have is that commumism won't work. But disproving Zeus doesn't
> > >demonstrate Shiva's existence. Put differently, social democracy is
> > >parasitic on revolutionary socialism, and without a revolutionary threat
> > >social democrats are so many bits of old lavender.
> >
> > I have never seen on this list a single concrete suggestion as to how
> > revolutionary socialism can be achieved. It seems that the only
> > argument you have is that social democracy is unachievable. But
> > disproving Shiva doesn't demonstrate Zeus's existence. Put
> > differently, revolutionary socialism is parasitic on history and
> > fantasy, and without a revolutionary movement revolutionary
> > socialists are so many bits of surplus bile.
> >
> > Doug
> >
>
> I have always wanted to play this rhetorical trick on Heartfield
>
> Travis
>
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