[lbo-talk] Chomsky on conspiracies

Joseph Wanzala jwanzala at hotmail.com
Tue Nov 1 09:33:43 PST 2005


...problem is, who gets to decide who is and who is not a 'conspiracy theorist' or what is 'straightforward analysis'? Chomsky's 'institutional analysis' is derided by people on the right or 'in power' as a 'conspiracy theory'. Chomsky said that the term itself is "one of the devices by which power defends itself" and then deploys the term itself. The contradiction lies in his trying to have it both ways. In further contradiction, Chomsky has also said:-

A: That's true maybe of people in the Harvard faculty, but that's because for them conspiracy is a curse word. If something comes along that you don't like, there are a few sort of four-letter words that you can use to push it out of the sphere of discussion. If you were in a bar downtown, they might have different words, but if you're an educated person what you use are complicated words like conspiracy theory or Marxist....It's a way of pushing unpleasant questions off the agenda so that we can continue in our own happy ideology.

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/features/99/04/01/NOAM_CHOMSKY.html

see also:-

"Noam Chomsky is today's most sophisticated conspiracy theorist."

http://www.constitution.org/hwheeler/contheory3.htm


>From: Louis Kontos <Louis.Kontos at liu.edu>
>Reply-To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Chomsky on conspiracies
>Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:28:26 -0800
>
>Where's the contradiction? There are conspiracy theorists and there are
>people who engage in straightforward analysis who are called conspiracy
>theorists in order to dismiss their work. These statements, moreover,
>hardly
>seem controversial.
>
>
> > Doug Henwood wrote:
> >
> > [from a snotty profile of Chomsky in today's Guardian
> >
><http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/politicsphilosophyandsociety/story/0,
> > 6000,1605276,00.html>]
> >
> > "One of the good things about the internet is you can put up anything
>you
> > like, but that also means you can put up any kind of nonsense. If the
> > intelligence agencies knew what they were doing, they would stimulate
> > conspiracy theories just to drive people out of political life, to keep
>them
> > from asking more serious questions."
> >
> > _____________
> >
> >
> > I'd be interested to see how uncle Noam would reconcile the above with
>what
> > he said below in a 1990 interview. Perhaps he is he a born again
> > 'inconsistency theorist'....:-
> >
> > Joe W.
> >
> > http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/19900907.htm
> >
> > QUESTION: Well, do you feel also ... I mean, I know that you have
>advanced
> > these arguments and a number of other people have also advanced these
> > arguments -- they are there to be found by anyone who wants to seek them
> > out.... But at the same time, I think there's a great effort in the
> > mainstream media to write these arguments off as conspiracy theory.
> >
> > CHOMSKY: That's one of the devices by which power defends itself -- by
> > calling any critical analysis of institutions a conspiracy theory. If
>you
> > call it by that name, then somehow you don't have to pay attention to
>it.
> > Edward Herman and I, in our recent book, Manufacturing Consent, go into
>this
> > ploy. What we discuss in that book is simply the institutional factors
>that
> > essentially set parameters for reporting and interpretation in the
> > ideological institutions. Now, to call that a conspiracy theory is a
>little
> > bit like saying that, when General Motors tries to increase its market
> > share, it's engaged in a conspiracy. It's not. I mean, part of the
>structure
> > of corporate capitalism is that the players in the game try to increase
> > profits and market shares; in fact, if they didn't, they would no longer
>be
> > players in the game. Any economist knows this. And it's not conspiracy
> > theory to point that out; it's just taken for granted. If someone were
>to
> > say, "Oh, no, that's a conspiracy," people would laugh.
> >
> > Well, exactly the same is true when you discuss the more complex array
>of
> > institutional factors that determine such things as what happens in the
> > media. It's precisely the opposite of conspiracy theory. In fact, as you
> > mentioned before, I generally tend to downplay the role of individuals
>--
> > they're replaceable pieces. So, it's exactly the opposite of conspiracy
> > theory. It's normal institutional analysis -- the kind of analysis you
>do
> > automatically when you're trying to understand how the world works. And
>to
> > call it conspiracy theory is simply part of the effort to prevent an
> > understanding of how the world works.
> >
> > QUESTION: Well, I think also the term has been assigned a different
>meaning.
> > If you look at the root of the term itself -- conspire, to breathe
>together,
> > breathe the same air -- I mean, it seems to suggest a kind of shared
> > interest on the part of the people "breathing together." It just seems
>that
> > the word has been coopted for a different use now.
> >
> > CHOMSKY: Well, certainly, it's supposed to have some sort of sinister
> > meaning; it's a bunch of people getting together in back rooms deciding
>what
> > appears in all the newspapers in this country. And sometimes that does
> > happen; but, by and large, that's not the way it works. The way it works
>is
> > the way we described in Manufacturing Consent. In fact, the model that
>we
> > used -- what we called the propaganda model -- is essentially an
> > uncontroversial guided free market model.
> >
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