Do we win capitalists to our side by arguing that socialism will benefit capitalists? No, we argue for the destruction of capitalists and capitalism. Thus, we call for the destruction of Gender -- Men and Women as they exist in class society. BOTH Men and Women.
^^^^^ CB: Are these two struggles completely analogous in the way you imply ?
Even with the destruction of male supremacy , there will still be sexes.
Also,the working class can end capitalism and class society without the participation of the capitalists. I don't know that male supremacy can be ended without the participation of men.
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Aside from which, I'm just a little sick and tired of trying to appeal to you fuckers by explaining to you how it will be to your benefit to support feminism or anti-racism or GLBT liberation or anti-ablism. Or whatever.
^^^^^ CB: I don't see how you can end racism without white people voluntarily changing. So, there is no choice but to appeal to you fuckers to change.
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If you support us, you get something out of it. I'm sick of marketing angles as a tactic. Fuck that. I can see appealing to the average Dick in those terms, but to leftist men? No. If you aren't on the klewtrain and you've been on this list for more than a year, it's not even worth my time.
^^^^ CB: I took Joanna to be talking about men in general ,not leftist men.
Nothing wrong with appealing to altruism, but in this society probably have to appeal to self-interest too, if you want to succeed.
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Feminists need to butch up and tell you to get on the klewtrain or get left behind. This train is chugging down the tracks without you.
^^^^^^ CB: Tough Woo Woo'ing ,huh ? Maybe. Try it and see if it works.