[lbo-talk] We can lose, or we can just lose later

[andie nachgeborenen]

Which, as far as I can tell from your posts, means for
you condescendingly morally condemning grunts who are
sent into combat and largely do what they're told. I
am sure they will appreciate your superior concern,
from yuour position of purity, for their moral
benightedness, and I wish you luck in preaching the
gospel. Doug and I will refuse to condemn them even if
they don't refuse to serve or start fragging their
officers. In your mind this seem to put advocates of
immediate and unconditional withdrawl, like us, in the
same league as Hitchens. As liberal democrat, I take
umbrage at that (don't worry, kells, I'll put it
bnack); I'm not a neocon. Doig can take his own
umbrage. I suppose you think of youreself as some sort
of Marxist. Youa re in error. You are in fact
precisely the kind of high-horse moralist Marx
despised. Saving souls indeed. Marxism would have you
ask not, what us thew idaelly morally perfect psition
to take, but, what attitude and actions will be most
effective in opposing imperialism? A liberal democrat
like me is a better Marxist tahn you here.

--- Travis Fast <tfast at yorku.ca> wrote:


> Are you now pulling a hitchens?  But to answer you
> directly: to the max 
> that is how far it goes.  And if the left took this
> seriously they would 
> would descend from the heavens and touch their own
> humanity and in so 
> doing discover the humanity of those they wish to
> save.  I say unto you 
> brother repent and see the men and women before you.
> 
> Travis
> 
> Doug Henwood wrote:
> 
> > Travis Fast wrote:
> >
> >> The point is Yoshie, you can either take the
> approach that the 
> >> average soldier is no more and no less
> responsible then the average 
> >> AMerican for the war
> >
> >
> > Lots of average Americans voted against Bush. Most
> average soldiers 
> > have followed, or would follow, orders to go to
> war. How far does 
> > collective responsbility extend?
> >
> > Doug
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