[lbo-talk] the 50-word story

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Fri Oct 21 05:06:40 PDT 2005



>
> no there's no point, just as there's no point to
> this list,

Why participate in something to which there is no point?

the
> working class have become casual labourers and the
> educational system
> has gone down the toilet,

We have fallen from the golden age to the age of lead -- an old lament.

the educated of the left
> have become rubber
> kneckers passing comment under pseudonyms,

I take it that is a sniipe at my handle. My name is Justin Schwartz of Evanston, IL. I use the pseudonym -- I don't notice you using your full name either -- for professional reasons, OK? Is that a fucking crime? Class treason?

I'm
> impressed, and you
> wonder at anti-intellectualism
I don't know what you are impressed at and I haven't wondered at anti-intellectualism since 3d grade.


>
> >over a generation ago a small minority of college
> kids took
> >advantage of their relatively privileged position
> to try to make the
> world a better place (this is >not a bad thing,
> btw).
>
> for whom exactly ,and it would appear the world is
> worse, where are
> your demonstrators now, having lengthy debate over
> demonstrations ?
>

Tariq Ali (your example) and most of the others were trying to make the world better for the oppressed and the exploited, as you can easily find out by readingg their voluminous writings.

In some ways the world is worse in some ways, better in others. Don't indulge in this Golden Age fantasy. It's as old as the first grandfather/mother. (In my day . . . . ). For money money there has been considerable improvement since, say, November 1942, midnight of ther last century, with the Nazis knocking at the doors of Stalingrad, Jim Crow and lynch law firmly entrenched in America, Japanese militarism dominating the Far East. But opinions can differ and there is not exactly any objective test. But even if it were worse overall, it is absurd to blame that on the student demonstrators of the 60s who struggled for racial and social justice, women's liberation, and socialism. If they failed in part -- in part! not altogether -- does that mean the deterioration is their fault rather than the fault of the other side?

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