[lbo-talk] Israel, Ireland, and South Africa

[Jerry Monaco]

Josh,

I hardly think I give the rulers and owners of the U.S. much credit at all,
except for engaging in planning to increase their wealth and power.  That
doesn't mean they always succeed or that they can control all events in the
world or control their own clients or even control the consequences of their
own ideological propaganda.

I am not sure what your point is about United States citizens being most
receptive to "Holy Land 2000".  It seems to me obvious that the dregs of
fundamentalist religious culture will combine with imperial culture in many
ways expected and unexpected by U.S. rulers and elites.  Perhaps you can
explain the relevance.

The U.S.G., generally used South Africa in the southern cone of Africa in
the same way that it uses Israel in the Middle East.  This doesn't mean that
the South African Apartheid regime didn't have its own agenda.  Generally,
my conclusion from the history is that Apartheid South Africa was relatively
more independent of the U.S.G. than any given Israeli regime.

Further, from the internal evidence of the U.S.G. it seems that the best
solution as far as U.S. rulers were concerned was for the Apartheid regime
to come to some compromise with its dissidents and yet to maintain their
power.  In hindsight it was probably completely unrealistic to think that
the Apartheid regime could be maintained for very long.  Elites and rulers
can be stupid but they do generally consider how to maintain and increase
their power.
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