Devine:> this proves my point, I guess: first, it depends on the specifics. And Devine:> Timoshenko represents a third alternative.
Where "alternative" equals local, corrupt, mega-capital? I was under the impression Timoshenko, quaint as she might appear, is linked to large, domestic and shady industry.
Doss:> Actually the Doss:> more I dig into Cossack history the more I dislike the Doss:> Bolsheviks. They were kind of like the neocons, Doss:> forcing reality to fit their ideology.
Considering Francis Fukuyama's declaration that the neo-cons are actually Leninists, I guess that makes you in agreement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Fukuyama
I guess the Hegelian opposite would be the ultra-pragmatist, forcing ideology to fit reality. Stuff like "The poor are poor because they deserve to be" fits in there.
> On 4/1/06, Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not really true. Ukraine after the Orange Revo pursued
> > extremely populist, non-neo-lib policies courtesy of
> > Timoshenko. That got her excoriated by Anders Aslund,
> > among others. (Ukraine's GDP growth rate dropped from
> > 16% to 0.5% at the same time, BTW.)
> >
> > --- Jim Devine <jdevine03 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > \
> > >
> > > doesn't it depend on the specifics of the case?
> > >
> > > Further, are there any third alternatives? The
> > > "colored revolutions"
> > > have mostly using "democratic" rhetoric but realling
> > > have been
> > > neo-liberal in orientation, aiming at uniting
> > > Fillintheblankistan with
> > > the EU and global capitalism. On the other hand, the
> > > generally popular
> > > autocrat is more like Hizzoner da Mare of Chicago
> > > (the late) Richard
> > > J. Daley or the old Mexican PRI, using control of
> > > the state to garner
> > > popular support with patronage.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > freedom in the presence
> > > of economic insecurity." -- Chester Bowles
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