I meant to ask all the folks who agreed with Chuck that people are hopeless: The either vote for one of the two parties and keep eating shit. That leaves the minority -- a very tiny one -- not eating shit and not buying into the two parties 'shit.'
So, what's the solution if you think that way. Just sit around gumbling. Start a small revolution. Anarchist disruption. Retreat to a lifestyle enclave working on alternative community building and ignoring the rest as best as possible? Unrepentent grumbling about it all with no expectation of change? Unrepetent agitprop with the hope that people change or some get a clue? Fabianism?