On 4/28/06, Jordan Hayes <jmhayes at j-o-r-d-a-n.com> wrote:
>
> > Been reading about the new film, "United 93," and wondered
> > of anyone here believes that it was shot down.
>
> Here's my take on it: the ATC chatter you pointed to shows pretty
> clearly that there were still plenty of aircraft in the sky at the point
> where UA 93 went down. There's was also a lot of discussion on the
> radio between the controller(s) and those aircraft. United has a
> service where you can listen to the current ATC frequency that the plane
> you're on is listening to on "Channel 9", and I've listened many times;
> there is often this kind of collaborative conversation going on about
> things on the ground like fires, weather, other planes, etc. --
> sometimes even just landmarks ("What's that big bridge down there?").
>
> Two items:
>
> - If there were fighters in the air nearby, they would have HAD to be in
> contact with the controller for that sector. The controller, even up to
> the time that the smoke on the ground is seen, does not appear to have
> any idea that UA 93 had been hijacked. He continues to try to raise UA
> 93 and doesn't hide the fact that he (and others) heard someone say
> "There's a bomb on board, we're going back to the airport" ... if he had
> realized that it was a hijacker mistakenly transmitting on ATC rather
> than on the PA, he might not have let the hijacker(s) know that's what
> he was doing.
>
> He also does not communicate with anything military, nor give traffic
> advisories to the other aircraft about anything military in the area.
> Military aircraft often (but not always) use a different frequency to
> talk to ATC (for technical reasons, not for anything 'secretive'), but
> ATC uses "simulcasting" to talk back to them on both the military
> frequency and the civilian one, because it's useful to the other pilots
> around to know that there's military aircraft in the area.
>
> - If there were fighters in the area, and on frequency, there's a dozen
> or so pilots out there who are keeping this quiet (plus a whole room at
> Cleveland Center). That seems very unlikely to me.
>
> The ATC MP3 was heavily edited and time-compressed; if anyone knows of a
> source of a longer one, I'd be interested to hear it.
>
> /jordan
>
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