To put the point another way, it is preposterous to say, having smashed their country to smithereens, that we are now staying against the will of the Iraqis to make sure that things doin't get worse. Who appointed us the arbiter of that issue? Our being there is by itself a major Bad Thing.
--- Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 19, 2006, at 9:24 AM, Michael Pollak wrote:
>
> >> The overwhelming majority of Iraqis wants the US
> out. Who are we
> >> to doubt them?
> >
> > I don't doubt them. That wasn't the question.
> The majority of us
> > want them out too. I'm asking, from a
> value-neutral (or amoral)
> > perspective, will it make them better off? And if
> so, how? Just
> > out of curiosity and the will to knowledge.
>
> There's no way we could ever know. But didn't you
> post a WashPost
> piece by their excellent reporter Anthony Shadid
> with the title - a
> quote from an Iraqi - "How could it get any worse?"
> Of course it
> could always get worse, but that's not the point.
> It's a living hell
> right now, our military caused it, and 70+% of
> Iraqis want us out.
> Everything else is commentary.
>
> Doug
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