I'm thinking of the huge upsurge in skinhead violence (and violence on the part of migrants against the native population, which is not uncommon either) in Russia at present, as you probably guessed.
I've had a couple of drinks, so I'm hoping I'm expressing myself clearly. I said "unregulated," where you have huge quantities of people crossing almost-transparent borders, often facilitated by organized crime, with no check on them and no attempt made to resituate them intelligently in their new (or temporary, as is often the case) homeland. I did not say they should be barred, but that they should be regulated -- so that they are not exploited, do not displace the native population (as often happens in Russia, when local farmers get muscled out of markets), and so forth.
--- andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
> For whom? Right now, I needn't tell you that
> undocumented aliens are denied virtually every
> protection afforded to citizens by law, exploited
> viciously, and generally treated like dirt. In
> addition, this undercuts both the economic situation
> of lower-paid citizen employees and the civil
> liberties of everyone, since the narrow wedge of
> state
> repression (e.g., denial of habeas rights) ios
> deployed against aliens first.
>
> Maybe you are concerned with right wing racist
> backlash. We got that already. If some of the appeal
> of the backlash isn't just racist but economic, then
> affording everyone willing to work wherever the full
> protections offered citizens (minimum wage, driver's
> licenses, union organizing righst, etc.) will limit
> the race to the bottom.
>
> Insofar as we are just dealing with plain old racism
> -- "We don't want them Azheris, wetbacks, Turks,
> etc.
> around here," I don't see why we should tolerate
> that
> instead of squashing it. It's the oldest excuse in
> the
> world to argue against antidiscrimination laws
> because
> "forcing" people to mix will inflame prejudice. Fuck
> that. It's wrong morally and it's wrong factually.
> Integration, other things being equal, promotes
> tolerance. And to the extent taht it doesn't,
> bigotry
> should be prohibited, not sanctioned.
>
> --- Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Worse.
> >
> > --- andie nachgeborenen
> > <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > As opposed to what we have now?
> > >
> > > --- Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think that introducing unregulated
> immigration
> > > in
> > > > the current world would probably be a recipe
> for
> > > > large
> > > > amounts of ethnic conflict.
> > > >
> > > > --- andie nachgeborenen
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> > > >
> > > > > OK, I guess I havce to say this is capital
> > > > letters,
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> > > other
> > > > > way:
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> lot
> > of
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> > > haven't
> > > > > discussed it before, I will say in capital
> > > letters
> > > > > also, just to be clear, I SUPPORT OPEN
> BORDERS
> > > > AMONG
> > > > > ALL COUNTRIES REGARDLESS OF NOMINAL
> > CITIZENSHIP.
> > > > >
> > > >
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