[lbo-talk] Re: Fidel

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Sat Dec 23 15:40:23 PST 2006


Yeah, well, I hoped for some such to emerge in post-Soviet Russia. I mean, I really hoped for worker-controlled socialist democracy. Look what we got. Sorry, Doug, I don't share your enthusiasm for a KGB thug who blows up inhabited apartment buildings to stir up terrorist fears, whose forces massacre school-children, who conducts a brutal war to keep hold of a Republic to whose inhabitants his regime won't even grant basic civil rights, who arrests and now poisons his political opposition. I don't even give him credit for improving the Russian economy. After the wreck Yeltsin made of it, it had nowhere to go but up.

In Cuba, are there alternatives? Do pray tell what they are. Real alternatives, ones that involve democracy that the US will not use, as they used Sandinista democracy, to install the gusanos and roll back the Revo. No kool-aid please, I've had enough of that.

--- Michael Pugliese <michael.098762001 at gmail.com> wrote:


> Oy vey, Justin.There are more alternatives than
> stultifying
> Castroism or the Miami Mafia.
>
>
> On 12/23/06, andie nachgeborenen
> <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Fuck you, Michael, I'm more a liberal democrat
> than
> > you are. How DARE you call me an apologist for the
> > CPC?
> >
> > --- Michael Pugliese <michael.098762001 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 12/23/06, andie nachgeborenen
> > > <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:I ask you the same question I asked Chuck:
> do
> > > you want the Miami
> > > Cubans back in power and Cuba as whole flushed
> the
> > > way the
> > > Nicaragurans were?
> > >
> > > What is this the Granma editorial pg.,
> > > Proyectville or Workers
> > > World? Nobody here wants that. Likely though the
> > > Cuban power elite
> > > does and just like the Chinese CP which it
> emulates
> > > it will
> > > appropriate the M.O.P, distribution and exchange
> for
> > > its own interests
> > > and negotiate w/foreign capitalists from Spain,
> > > Miami and elsewhere
> > > for joint ventures. For the first time in
> decades a
> > > real class
> > > struggle will begin with independent unions
> emerging
> > > to contest the
> > > strangehold of the official unions, purely an
> > > instrument of labor
> > > discipline now. The CP would likely win a free
> > > election but, would for
> > > the 1st time have to contest for power vs social
> and
> > > christian
> > > democrats and neo-liberals, some within the CP
> some
> > > outside as I say
> > > above.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Michael Pugliese
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