[lbo-talk] "Critical Support" (Re: Fidel)

[andie nachgeborenen]

Don't insult _my_ intelligence, Chuck. I never said
you supported the Miami Cubans. I just said that in
the real world, denouncing the Cuban state in
poractice leaves you with no alternative to them.
Hypothetically, there are lots of alternatives:
Western or Costa Rican style social democracy,
revolutionary socialist democracy from below,
self-regulating anarchist mutual aid -- etc. But with
the US 90 miles awsay and opposed to all these
alternatives, none of these are live options. 

I'm not saying, and I have never said anything that
would make you think, if you were to read wehat I
wrote and not impose on it your preconception about
what I meant, that I am a fan of the Castro regime in
the sense of denying its repressiveness, bureaucratic
nature, lack of democracy. Nor do I countenance these
things. 

But I really don't see a third way for Cuba just now.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't. And I think the Miami
Cubans and US domination are worse. So I'll goi with
you when you say, what happens in Cuba should be a
mattern for Cuban self determination without US
(including gusano) interference. What the Cubans do
with that, insofar as we can help them by reduciung US
involvement, has to be up to them.

--- Chuck <chuck at mutualaid.org> wrote:

> Carrol Cox wrote:
> 
> > Chuck's
> > lunatic response to you (quoted below) shows my
> point. You don't get
> > that sort of looniness (or Mpug's sort) outside
> the narrowly defined
> > left (and of course among dogmatic followers of
> Rush, etc).
> 
> If you think that my *rational* response to Andie's
> fallacious question 
> is lunacy, then perhaps you need to check into an
> institution to get a 
> reality check.
> 
> Andie asked me a fallacious question, which even
> insults the 
> intelligence of list members. The question posits
> that I would support 
> the Miami Cubans because I oppose the Castro regime.
> This is just 
> ridiculous, because I would never support the Miami
> Cubans. It also 
> ignores obvious alternative positions, such as
> supporting 
> self-determination for Cubans and doing
> anti-imperialist activism in the 
> United States.
> 
> Some of you really ought to get over your fanatical
> support for 
> left-wing thugs and dictators.
> 
> Chuck
> 
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