Michael Hoover wrote:
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> history of class conflict violence
> is one of violence initiated by capital and ruling class state (which,
> btw, is problem with 'relative autononmy' state theories, because
> when push comes to shove - or as engels put it, 'in the last instance',
> political state will operate to crush working class organizations...
This is a fact carefully ignored by those who challenge revolutionaries to provide revolutionary "scenario" -- a demand which _always_ reflects either lying to oneself or deliberate bad faith. Revolutions only begin when minimal reforms are attacked violently by the ruling class. So those who argue for a peaceful (electoral) approach to socialism are in fact providing what is _always_ the "scenario" of revolution. Peaceful moves are seen as a threat by the ruling class, which responds violently, and people/workers have to die or defend themselves.
Carrol