--- Marvin Gandall <marvgandall at videotron.ca> wrote:
> My two cents:
>
> 1. A bourgeois democratic government is
> characterized by a number of
> institutions not directly controlled by the state -
> an independent press,
> independent trade unions, independent judiciary,
> independent political
> parties, etc. These institutions may be vigorous or
> docile, but they do not
> directly take their orders from officials of the
> ruling party.
>
> 2. A repressive regime lacks all of the above. There
> are no unions, no
> media, no judges, no political parties which are
> independent of the state.
> In this sense, the PRC is still a repressive regime,
> but one which is
> loosening its controls, or "liberalizing". It
> illustrates that there can be
> differences in the degree of control as between
> repressive states and over
> the life of each state, often depending on how
> beleaguered by internal or
> external forces the regime feels itself to be.
> Right-wing regimes often
> arise out of military coups backed by the
> bourgeoisie against an insurgent
> mass movement from below. Repressive left-wing
> regimes were the product of
> social revolutions which expropriated the
> bourgeoisie.
>
> 3. Fascism is a particular kind of right-wing
> repressive state. It's
> defining characteristics seem to me to be a very
> fervent race-based
> nationalism which makes it susceptible to genocidal
> impulses; an
> expansionist foreign policy; a readiness equal to
> the left to organize and
> mobilize the masses in support of its objectives;
> and a more tightly
> controlled bourgeoisie than in the case of (2)
> above..
>
> Obviously, there are hybrid states which combine
> elements of the above.
> Israel has characteristics common to (3), but so
> long as it has institutions
> which operate independently of the state, it can't
> be called ""fascist", if
> the term is to mean anything more more than an
> epithet. Iran is another
> complex state, which defies easy characterization.
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Doss" <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com>
> To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 7:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] What is you know what ?
>
>
> >
> >
> > --- Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:
> >
> > There
> >> have been many
> >> non-fascist states that were a lot worse live in
> >> than Mussolini's Italy.
> >
> > Yep. On the Evil Dictatorships scale, Mussolini's
> > Italy was actually on the low end. Maybe
> comparable to
> > contemporary Egypt. Much less repressive than,
> say,
> > modern China. (I am not anti-China, just to make
> that clear.)
> >
> > Nu, zayats, pogodi!
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