[lbo-talk] Joseph Weydemeyer; Engels supplied the North cannon through Weydemeyer ?

Charles Brown cbrown at michiganlegal.org
Tue Feb 28 08:59:15 PST 2006


Halfbaked evidence that Marx communicated with Lincoln. CB The International Workingmen's Association 1864 Address of the International Working Men's Association to Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States of America Presented to U.S. Ambassador Charles Francis Adams January 28, 1865 [A] ________________________________ Written: by Marx between November 22 & 29, 1864 First Published: The Bee-Hive Newspaper, No. 169, November 7, 1865;

Ambassador Adams Replies Legation of the United States London, 28th January, 1865 <<<<<>>>>>

charles, above is surely stretching point that you wish to make about marx communicating with lincoln, how many other congratulations did lincoln receive...

^^^^ Micheal, I'd say above is surely a big piece of credible evidence contradicting your claims that Marx didn't write to Lincoln. You are the one who is "stretching it" in the face of a pretty significant piece of documentary evidence. If Marx wrote Lincoln here, it makes it more "credible" that he had written him before.

Burden of proof shifts to you.

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re. this document, marx's name was one among many signatories, adams' reply was sent to cremer who was the honorary general secretary, how likely is it that adams knew marx had written the draft letter...

^^^^ CB: The point is that Marx wrote to Lincoln, and this proves it. That's a big step from yesterday's discussion. Lincoln was pretty intelligent. He probably had read Marx's Tribune articles, and probably was familiar with his name. Lincoln probably knew that Marx and Engels had organized British workers' opposition to British support for the South. That was a very important strategic event. Surely, the U.S. ambassador to England informed the White House about the British Workers opposing British support for the South, when this refraining was against the immediate economic interests of the British workers.

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i recall reading somewhere that lincoln never actually saw the international's correspondence, but i'll withhold asserting that as i don't remember where i may have read that and i don't have time to try to find the source...

^^^ CB: Yea, well I recall reading that Marx and Engels corresponded with Lincoln about the war. And I read a lot of Marx and Engels too. So where does that get us.

marx was apparently thrilled by adams' reply, which he calls 'lincoln's response' in a letter to engels about the matter... Mh

^^^^^^ CB: More grist for the mill.



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