[lbo-talk] We're all irrelevant

Angelus Novus fuerdenkommunismus at yahoo.com
Mon Jul 24 07:40:55 PDT 2006


--- "www.leninology. blogspot.com" <leninology at hotmail.com> wrote:


> I am familiar with the fanatical pro-Zionism of the
> anti-Deutscher movement,
> and am neither surprised nor perturbed by your
> attitude here.

I think you mean the "antideutschen," not Deutscher the great English biographer of Trotsky, right?

Yoshie Furuhashi associated me with this tendency, as did one previous poster from Canada whose name I forget. It's tiresome to always have to address this point, but I'm not an adherent of that political tendency. If you're curious about the broad political perspective I identify with, you're free to check out http://exit-online.org and http://www.krisis.org and http://www.oekonomiekritik.de

For what it's worth, the first two groups are sworn enemies of the Anti-Germans. And, to repeat for only the third time on this list, Robert Kurz actually wrote a book-length polemic against them.

I also don't recall making any statements that could be construed as "fanatical pro-Zionism."

So, either you're reading a meaning into my posts which simply isn't there, which is symptomatic of the atavism that reigns in what passes for a "left," or your characterization of me is simply an intentional slander, in which case it's just an example of how the Stalinist school of falsification lives on long after Stalinism has lost its political relevance.


> the deep complicity between Zionism and Nazism in
the >war period utterly slips out of your purview

Are you referring to the attempt by some Zionists with the Nazi regime to try to negotiate the sparing of Jewish lives from the Holocaust? Horror of horrors.


>It would be nice if you had an actual analysis of
both >fascism

I rather like what Leon Trotsky, Adorno and Horkheimer, Zeev Sternhall, Franz Neumann, and Zeev Sternhall have said on the subject.


>and Islamism

Again, Moishe Postone is rather good on this. I will post a link to a good article of his. Also, the Berlin group Kritik und Praxis <http://kp-berlin.de> has recently published a broschure which is very informative, very differentiated. Not available in English, unfortunately.


> (as opposed to
> a mere anathematism in
> which these two ideologies are subsumed into Evil).

I think this is polemic, right? Or is there a substantive point here I'm supposed to be addressing?


>
> And it would be refreshing if you knew your shit for
> once. The Socialist
> Workers' Party is a Leninist organisation, but its
> support for
> anti-imperialists did not begin with the end of the
> Cold War.

My main point is the historical irrelevance of such informations beyond the historical period in which they came into being. I know there are a variety of Trotskyite formations with shadings of difference, but they are more-or-less defined by their opposition/relationship to the commodity-producing societies of the East.


> Well, we can take your well-wishing as read

Yes, you do like to infer a lot. Or again, it could just be an attempt at defamation. Try responding to what I write, not what you think I mean behind what I write.


> Incidentally, you may console yourself about the
> irrelevance of communism if you wish.

Irrelevance of communism? In terms of what is necessary for humanity's survival, communism is more essential now that it has ever been.

Again, please try to infer less, and read more. If you aren't sure what I'm saying, ask me to clarify. If you don't care, don't bother.


> That is not an unfamiliar posture. But you invite
>ridicule when in the same missive you mention the
word >'projection'.

Now this, I think, is perhaps a substantive point. But I don't think I understand it. Could you elaborate for me?

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