[lbo-talk] MP fails to condemn Killing of Children

joanna 123hop at comcast.net
Sun Jul 30 17:09:01 PDT 2006


So, Michael, let's put it this way. What, according to you, would be an appropriate ratio of Israeli to Arab death ratio? What about collateral damage: hospitals, roads, bridges, economic infrastructure, etc.?

I want your assumptions/premises spelled out.

Joanna

Michael Pugliese wrote:


> On 7/30/06, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Like any guerilla force, Hezbollah blends with the population. If you
>> want to embrace the same strategy the US followed in Vietnam, be my
>> guest. But don't present it as anything but imperial brutality.
>>
>> Doug
>
>
> How are these stats equivalent to the Vietnam War? 2.8 million
> Vietnamese casualties according to David Harris in, "Our War:: What We
> Did in Vietnam and What It Did to Us. "
> 1.4 million in the Gaza strip, 2.4 million on the West Bank, these
> figures
> http://www.google.com/search?q=palestinian+casualties+total
> http://www.palestinercs.org/crisistables/table_of_figures.htm show
> 3,969 Palestinian killed last I looked.
> If the IDF ZioNazis were really to engage in the same strategy
> followed in the Vietnam War of "free fire zones" all of us here,
> friendly or hostile to the existence of Israel within its '67 borders,
> would agree that the incredibly efficient killing machine that the IDF
> is, would have reached at least a figure of 1% (to use that subject
> line of another thread) of KIA of enemy combatents and civilians?
>
> http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/massacre.html
> Wars and Genocides of the 20th Century
> 160 million people died in wars during the 20th century.
> Arab-Israeli wars
>
> * I (1947-49): 6,373 Israeli and 15,000 Arabs die
> * II (1956): 231 Israeli and 3,000 Egyptians die
> * III (1967): 776 Israeli and 20,000 Arabs die
> * IV (1973): 2,688 Israeli and 18,000 Arabs die
> * Intifada I (1987-92): 170 Israelis and 1,000 Palestinians
> * Intifada II (2000-03): 700 Israelis and 2,000 Palestinians
>
> Level of destruction of Beirut,
> http://vitalperspective.typepad.com/vital_perspective_clarity/2006/07/new_map_of_beir.html
>
> Comparable to Jenin, (initially agitprop from the P.A. had the
> numbers killed in the thousands, final assessment was 52 Palestinians,
> 22 being civilians.)
> http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2002/4/Aerial%20Photographs%20of%20Jenin
>
> Critiqued here,
> http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/021110-jenin-test.htm
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan
> Estimates of the number of the people killed in the ten days of Black
> September range from three thousand to more than five thousand,
> although exact numbers are unknown.
> Estimates of the number killed by Assad, Sr. in Hama, Syria after a
> Muslim Brotherhood intafada , anywhere from 10,000-25,000.
>



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