[lbo-talk] Germans should stop feeling Holocaust guilt: Ahmadinejad

Wojtek Sokolowski sokol at jhu.edu
Fri Jun 2 08:26:09 PDT 2006


Charles Brown:

As to Americans having collective responsibility for slavery and the genocidal usurpation of the U.S. national territory, any American who feels proud of the flag and the national anthem, had patriotic passions and main

[WS:] You need keep in mind that a lot of Americans also fought to abolish slavery and many died in the process, over 360 thousand to be exact. Another 250 thousand or so died to defend it, however. So where does that leave us in the moral calculus of "collective guilt?"

Likewise, does Hitler outweigh the contributions of Marx, Engels and Weydemeyer as far as the collective "moral balance" of the Germans is concerned? Are the modern Arab nations in any way responsible for the centuries of Arab slave trade in Africa? Does the nuclear attack on Hiroshima and Nagasaki "morally compensate" for the Rape on Nanking and other Japanese atrocities? Does the Holocaust absolve the Israelis of their treatment of Palestinians? Do Lenin and Trotsky absolve Russia of pogroms?

The problem with collective guilt and claims associated with it is that it is pure metaphysics not bound by any empirical reality. Only individuals can be guilty or innocent, because only individuals meet the human agency requirement of responsibility of any kind. Without human agency, there is no responsibility, and thus no guilt or innocence. Neither natural phenomena, nor social constructs like "corporations," "nations" or "races" can be meaningfully responsible and thus guilty. Only the human agents who are members of the classes denoted by these constructs can. However, it is impossible to prove or disprove the guilt of individual members of a class that is collectively accused or blamed, beyond those who were directly involved in the deeds under investigation. And to determine the responsibility of the latter one does not need the concept of "collective guilt" at all.

Collective guilt is nothing but guilt by association, which is the ultimate perversion of justice, demagoguery, and the foundation of the lynching mob rule.

Wojtek



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