[lbo-talk] violent crime up

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 13 12:25:45 PDT 2006


A difficult question. As Michael Moore points out in Bowling for Columbine, Canada has as many guns per capita, pretty much, but a far lower violent crime. esp. murder rate. One speculation is cultural: this country developed a frontier macho ethic, no duty to retreat, shootout at the OK Corral -- nor just representations, but the sense of right of self-help, as one might put it, in dealing with conflict by force. Probably combined with that are disparities of wealth and the absence of social democratic safety net protections, in particular extreme poverty, that enhances frustrations and makes that ethic more likely to be put into action. The drug war and criminalization of drugs doesn't help -- drug crime promotes violence like all prohibitions. But I guess Canada and most W. Europ countries also prohibit hard drugs.

And at the risk of sounding like Woj here, it does seem -- at least superficially, and without being acquainted with any studies -- that there is an underclass that's pretty nihilistic. This is nothing new and it's only recently racialized; the 19th century gangs of New York celebrated in the rather bad Scorsese flick were Irish and white trash Anglo-Saxon; Italians, Jews, Chinese and other immigrant groups in the first generation or so were pretty rough, although (leaving aside bootlegging, extortion, racketeering, knee breaking, corruption of unions, etc.) they "only shot each other," as Buggsy (oops, pardon me, Benjamin) Siegel once put it. (My ancestors and my wife's include any number of low and medium grade hoods, one was actually important enough to get called before the Kefauver Committee). There does seem to have been a deterioration of standards: the newer gangs are far less discriminating in w whom they kill, possibly because their members don't necessarily expect to live long enough to enjoy the fruits of the illicit labors -- a pure speculation on my part.

Trapping people in a slum environment without hope, but with lots of drugs and guns does seem to be a recipe for violent crime, not just here. See e.g., the Rio slums of City of God, or much of modern Russia.

--- Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote:


>
> On Jun 13, 2006, at 10:31 AM, Wojtek Sokolowski
> wrote:
>
> > I think that US-ers
> > are not necessarily more violent than other
> nations in terms of
> > engaging in
> > actual physical acts of violence. They are more
> infatuated with
> > *representations* of violence
>
> So why is our murder rate so much higher than other
> countries, and
> why do we love guns so much? There's plenty of
> violence in the media
> elsewhere.
>
> Doug
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