[lbo-talk] Re: Blaming the lobby

Michael Hoover hooverm at scc-fl.edu
Sat May 6 20:32:31 PDT 2006



>>> cbcox at ilstu.edu 05/04/06 9:19 AM >>>
Carl Remick wrote:
> And he was first and foremost a theologian, hence dangerously deranged
by
> profession. One web source note that Niebuhr "opposed increased
> secularization of American society and the removal of state support
for
> Christian religious practices."

Carl -- please just ignore mpug. Carrol <<<<<>>>>>

agree to a t with carrol's comment, on other hand, niebuhr is good for a round or two of attention, believe it was george kennan who called him the 'father of us all', by that he meant what would become neo-conservatism (not to be equated with current group of people so very fashionably called neo-cons by opponents and proponents alike), niehbur's movement from social gospel socialism to liberal-democracy is similar to that of some former marxists and pre-new left liberals...

niehbur - who advised kennan for a time - considered himself to be a christian realist, his cold war politics did not include military adventurism, thus, he both supported containment and opposed korean and vietnamese wars (recall that kennan would assert that policymakers had improperly/incorrectly militarized his post-ww2 'mr x' letter about soviet union)...

so-called neo-cons of today are actually quite wilsonian in their desire to remake the world on lines of u.s. 'democracy' and to have that world 'led' by u.s. even as their 'idealism' parts company with his with respect to international law/organization... mh

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