[lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies

Dwayne Monroe idoru345 at yahoo.com
Thu Nov 9 17:07:23 PST 2006

Jesse Lemisch:

These posts are so amazing that they cry out to be forwarded to feminist listservs. Is there any rule against that, or are these posts, as I assume, public?


In some circles, such forwarding is considered bad form. Of course, that doesn't prevent it.

The archives are quite public.


These sorts of 'discussions' never end well do they?

The Outraged never gives his or her debating opposites the benefit of the doubt, choosing, instead, to interpret everything they say as being only more evidence of perfidious motives and imaginings.

In this case, it's the alleged disrespect of Ellen Willis, in past conflicts it was Stalin or racism or religion or alleged support for the Weather Underground 5,000 years ago or...

So now Jesse, you've assumed the role of Melville's Ishmael, who "alone, survived to tell thee..." You're the singular voice of defense for feminism, adrift on a churning sea of "male rage". This rage apparently feeds on hatred of women like an H-bomb fuels itself on deuterium.

At no point, I suspect, will you sit back and consider that maybe, what people - including, mind you, feminists such as Bitch - are saying (that the issue wasn't attacking Willis as a feminist thinker but questioning the idea that obits should be crafted only from sweetness) is actually what they mean.

Come to think of it, that's the really "amazing" part of this thread.

On the plus side, your implied accusations of anti-feminist thought allow me to add to the litany of Satanic service I first compiled here:



>From 30 feet away she looked like a lot of class. From 10 feet away she looked like something made up to be seen from 30 feet away.

Raymond Chandler

...................... http://monroelab.net/blog/

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