[lbo-talk] Re: Rangel Is An Idiot

Paul Papadeas papadeas13 at yahoo.com
Mon Nov 20 08:50:38 PST 2006


A truly progressive party would....

1. Fight to revoke or completely gut the Patriot Act and all other illegal legislation eradicating the loss of habeas corpus and torture.

2. Try Bush and co. for war crimes - as there is no such thing as a "War on Terrorism" as there is no true enemy (nation state). Back the ICC.

3. Push for complete nuclear disarmament (and that would mean NOT using this medium for clean energy).

4. Giving corporations tremendous incentives and even forced mandates (including revoking charters) to oil industry to transfer business models for alternative energy technology.

5. Investigate 9/11 again as well as links between US and Intl corporations and the invasion of Iraq - not to mention links of funding to terrorist networks by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

6. Push for new legislation to investigate Senators and members of Congress who pose as Foreign Agents and what their effect would be on foreign policy decisions.

Marvin Gandall <marvgandall at videotron.ca> wrote:

Brian wrote:


> But the "all-volunteer" army is also a form of involuntary servitude. At
> least with a draft, the privileged asses of Biff an Muffy will be taken
> out of their graduate seminars and plopped down in combat.
>
> If that happened, the troops would be out of Iraq in 36 hours. If you
> want to stop a foreign war, make sure that who goes to fight it is a
> matter of pure luck.
======================== It's true there would be a form of rough justice for Biff and Muffy, which might well lead one or both to oppose foreign wars or to emigrate to Canada, as during Vietnam.

But the downside risk of a draft is greater. A major reason why the US is bogged down in Iraq is because its regular army and reserves are stretched too thin. A lot of antwar pressure on Congress is coming from military families who are objecting to extended and repeated tours for their loved ones in a war which is perceived as unwinnable because there are not enough forces on the ground. The US political establishment also no longer feels it is able to credibly intervene, if it needs to, on multiple fronts such as North Korea or Latin America. Congress will address this deficiency by making a bipartisan attempt to increase the size of the military, but a draft, despite Rangel, is not in the cards.

It's also worth remembering that the US army has a very long tail, and that, even were there a draft, working class and minority troops would still bear the brunt of combat, as in Vietnam, while more privileged young Americans would be mainly involved in less risky support roles.

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