[lbo-talk] Saturday in the city

joyce brothers xenax2 at yahoo.com
Sun Apr 1 22:26:49 PDT 2007


I like the way you talk about art. I kinda think I like art. Even when it means Jesus and urine and, ya know, the dirty parts. And all that coca. But still......you gotta wonder where this will get you? No?

(ok, I'm just KIDDING)

--- Chuck Grimes <cgrimes at rawbw.com> wrote:


>
> ``I love living in a big city full of all kinds of
> people from all over
> the place.'' Doug
>
> ``I live in a megapolis too. I like megapoloi. I
> don't
> want millions and millions of them.'' Chris
>
> --------
>
> Hey, guys I had great Saturday in SF. Got on BART, a
> five short block
> walk from my place, whizzed over to the Montgomery
> Street station on
> Market, came up from the fading futuristic gloom to
> sit on the stone
> steps at Post and Market and watch the people
> streaming by on a
> brilliant Saturday afternoon---well, to have a
> cigerette.
>
> Then up a block or so and then down 3rd Street to
> SFMOMA to see
> Picasso and the Americans, along with a Bruce Marden
> retrospective. I
> had to go through each show backwards to avoid the
> crowds and tours so
> I could study the paintings. There were several de
> Koonings and Gorkys
> I have never seen before, although I knew them very
> well from
> books. It's just great to see the real thing. Also
> an earily Elain de
> Kooning when she was following Gorky's lead. And of
> course the
> Picassos. There were several masterpieces I had also
> studied in books
> and then got to see, live as it were.
>
> Before I went over to the Marden retro, I went back
> outside and down a
> block to a Pete's on 3rd and had a Duppio and
> another cigerette and
> watch more people, mostly tourists. This is a very
> small, comfortable
> and civilized city. Sitting there in the sun
> outdoors on the sidewalk
> was just wonderful.
>
> Normally, all I do is deal with the underbelly of
> the city, the down
> and out, the desparate, the old, the disabled, the
> poorest. But not
> yesterday. Yesterday was a treat to get out of the
> gloom. What a
> fucking joy.
>
> The museum crowds were interesting too. They seemed
> to be the young
> always dressed in black who were obviously art
> students. I had been
> temped to bring my camera but decided I didn't want
> to leave it at the
> check-in counter in back pack...meanwhile I ran into
> a couple of asian
> kids in their twenties, all dressed in stylish black
> stuff with a
> small Hasselblau shooting the architecture of the
> central atrium which
> is pretty wild---a five story open drop from
> skylight to the ground
> floor lobby. Oh well, maybe another day.
>
> Anyway the crowds were either young or old, and very
> few in between in
> their say late-thirties to late-forties something.
> The older crew were
> my age or older, and definitely up-scale. I was
> probably the only guy
> in his sixties dressed in mostly black. Very funny.
> My eyes are going
> so I had switch back and forth between glasses and
> no glasses. I like
> to stand about as close as I can to painting so I
> can feel how they
> were painted. In other words, about where you have
> to stand to paint
> the painting. This is a public annoyance since
> nobody can see around
> me. That's why I usually go backward or dodge around
> to work that
> doesn't have people in front of it.
>
> I liked the early Marden stuff from the 60s when I
> remembered it
> best. The later wiggly line stuff didn't do it for
> me. I mean, I got
> it, permutations on linear rhythms---organic
> tensions and so
> forth. But his real attention was on the surface and
> the field and how
> to obscure the hand made origins. This general
> tendency in almost all
> works from the period got so intense by the late 60s
> it was referred
> to as the L.A. Finish Fetish (maybe by Peter
> Plagens)---all that
> perfection crap. I used to spend days on end
> polishing cast resin
> pieces and hand rubbing lacquered surfaces. My
> scuplture supplies were
> mostly auto-body shop supplies. One piece I just
> knew the minute I
> moved it, I would knock off a corner on the concrete
> floor and that
> would be the end of its perfect look. Sure enough, I
> moved it into an
> empty area to photograph it and off came a little
> bottom corner. Shit!
>
> After that I revolted. I decided to make things that
> were so tough,
> the floor had to worry. Welded steel. Then when I
> moved those pieces
> around the concrete got chipped instead. The
> difference in materials
> was absolutely amazing. The super finish work made
> you want to touch
> it, feel it, look closely at it for flaws. But the
> steel work just
> exhuded hostility and danger. One piece which was
> balanced against
> itself was about seven feet tall and over hung in a
> cantilever. You
> really didn't want to get too close, since it
> threatened to fall on you
> and kill you outright. Very funny.
>
> You can run out of money fast playing around with
> steel, which I did,
> so I switched to new or used construction materials.
> Set up the work,
> photograph it well, then off to the dump you go
> sucker. If any gallery
> was ever interested I could reproduce it exactly
> since the materials
> were common, and I kept the designs and plans.
> Nobody was
> interested. They liked the plastic stuff and the one
> guy who saw the
> steel pieces liked them but worried about his
> hardwood polished
> floors. See what I mean? Funny. Also forgot to
> mention a really good
> David Smith, The Hero.
>
> So the Marden show was caught in this inner
> monologue. And sure enough
> on the older work, the corners and edges were
> chipped where the
> emaculate painted surface had flaked off. These wear
> points didn't
> really bother anybody but me. The tell tale signs of
> age, of a long
> gone era of a lost perfection. Since this gallery
> was almost empty, I
> could spend plenty of time by myself there and enjoy
> my
> contemplations.
>
> In these contemplations, I was comparing Marden's
> surface, his fields
> of bland color, in other words his handling of paint
> to Picasso, de
> Kooning, Gorky and those in the other show. I had
> played around with
> waxes and encaustic to find that satin quality and
> managed to get it,
> but it took a long time and luck to reproduce it
> over and over as a
> technique. It was interesting that the big Picasso
> The Studio) had
> managed this kind of non-reflective and almost
> emaculate surface as if
> with ease. No need to concentrate on that, since
> there were many other
> things going on in that painting. By the way this is
> definitely a 20C
> masterpiece and it has to be seen in the flesh to
> get that from
> it. None of the tour guides mentioned Velasquez, Las
> Meninas. Maybe
> the referrence was too obscure. It takes quite
> awhile to see the
> connection, most of which has to do with the
> translation of
> Velasquez's composed perspective study (which is
> also a study or
> narrative on painting composition and perspective)
> into Picasso's flat
>
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