[lbo-talk] Anarchism, was Cuba

John Thornton jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net
Wed Aug 1 20:40:49 PDT 2007


Chuck wrote:
> But people are attacking me here for not being unrealistic when I adhere
> to standard anarchist positions.
>

If they are unrealistic it matters not whether they are anarchist, fascist, socialist, etc. principles. I move within the real world and so I move within it accordingly. (JT)


> Anarchists are better off fighting for more radical social change on all
> of these issues, as well as for the big picture of "revolution" or
> whatever you want to call it. I don't get why people are attacking
> anarchists for being anarchists. If we wanted to be reformists and work
> within the system, we'd be social democrats. The whole point of being an
> anarchist is to fight for something more radical.
>
> Chuck

It isn't an either/or scenario. I person can work to abolish the state and still vote for a Congressional Rep. or Senator who favors Universal Health Care or some other incremental change that will help millions of peoples real lives. It isn't as if voting takes so much time that one just cannot fit it into busy schedule. We frivolously waste more time per year than anyone actually spends voting in this country. The idea that not voting is some principled stance is BS. That doesn't mean voting in every election but refusing to vote in any is childish, not principled.

When Chuck writes "If anarchists go out and engage in direct action on the health care issue, we're more likely to help more mainstream reformers than we would with voting." he demonstrates some strange binary thinking. Why must it be one or the other? Why can't you engage in whatever direct action you want and still go vote for a candidate who favors UHC?

What do you do that doesn't violate your list of three reasons you cite for not voting?

1) is completely against their 2) supports the statist system 3) is opposed by most non-anarchists.

Where do you buy clothes that doesn't support the state and corporate structure you oppose? Where do you buy food that doesn't? Why is voting so different?

You're mistaken when you write "Most Americans don't vote. They clearly reject the current political system and see through it." They don't see through anything, they are apathetic because they feel disaffected and powerless. They feel that way because the system encourages them to. If they saw through that they would be more, not less, inclined to vote. Most non-voters aren't not voting as some principled stance as you claim to be.

John Thornton



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