[lbo-talk] Nader, et al

Jeffrey Fisher jeff.jfisher at gmail.com
Tue Aug 7 22:04:04 PDT 2007


On 8/7/07, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Aug 7, 2007, at 12:10 PM, Jeffrey Fisher wrote:
>
> > right. i don't disagree, at least not very significantly (a dime's
> > worth of
> > disagreement? :-), but the logic seems pretty inexorable, to me.
> > when was
> > the last time we saw a party build itself from the bottom up? the
> > local-state model certainly hasn;'t worked for the GP on the
> > national level.
> > they can't even get someone elected to the US congress.
>
> Part of their problem seems to be their pathological localism, and
> their sectarianism, which rivals the Trots'.

hard to argue with that. as much as i wish i could.


> the people who seem to have had some success this way are the
> > christian
> > coalition, but (a) that's different, in that they were working
> > within the
> > GOP, and (b) it's not clear to me that they're not an exception in
> > other
> > ways, as well. shouldn't we all be running commies and socialists
> > as Dem
> > candidates at the state and local levels?
>
> I'm all for that. Division of labor, fight on many fronts, etc.

even as i typed it, i thought, "why not?" do we think they could win? would they get Dem support? maybe these days some of them would . . .

By the way, I was reminded on The Nation cruise that it's easy for us
> to minimize the diff between the parties, but a lot of people in the
> USA don't have that luxury. Quite a few of the cruisers came because
> they wanted to spend some time with people who think like they do.
> Back home, they may be one or two of ten Democrats (and forget
> anything to the left of the Dems). And - forgive me for using the
> color cliches - step out of any blue zone and you're quickly immersed
> in red. Drive 35 miles west of Ann Arbor and you're at Ted Nugent's
> ranch. Drive a few hours east of Seattle or Portland and you're in
> far right territory. Drive 50 miles north of Cambridge and you're on
> the doorstep of the Manchester Union-Leader. Etc.

do we think the experience is similar for conservatives in, say, ann arbor or seattle? seriously.

j

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