> That's exactly my point. They can handle them, but not if they're
> always presented in a way that doesn't speak to their experience.
You are demonstrating the Leftist knack for condescension when it comes to talking to working people. You think things have to be dumbed down and sugarcoated. Where do you live again? You sound like you have little experience talking to working people about radical ideas.
> You often talk about what the "american people" are thinking but when
> someone presents a poll that shows they're thinking otherwise, and
> less than radically, you dismiss it.
Becuase I've seen other polls that support my arguments. :-p
> I agree that people are more
> radical than they know, but right now that radicalism is potential
> and not realized.
It won't be realized if you don't share your ideas with people.
The American Left is like a big nerd that is afraid to talk to women at the bar.
It overanalyzes what people may think and is afraid of rejection.
It just needs to go talk to that cute girl at the bar.
> I just disagree that stridency, and to a lot of
> people hearing that there is no difference between the parties is
> strident, is always that effective. Sometimes yes, but I think
> things like winning people over with their own arguments has its strengths too.
That's funny. I've talked to all kinds of people and stated that there is no difference between the parties. My stance is uncontroversial these days, except on leftist mailing lists full of indoctinated, over-educated people. It's amazing that people on the street can see through this bullshit better than the smart people on this list.
> I also agree that there is a need for immoderation if anything is
> ever going to change. The thing is it takes all kind of people to
> make a movement. Facile dismissals of the shortcomings of "American
> Leftists" obscures that complexity.
Making criticisms of the American Left is like shooting fish in a barrel. After a while, it gets boring and you feel sorry for the dead fish.
Chuck