>>> andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> 12/11/2007
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Well, as Hegel emphasizes, consciousness isn't self-consciousness. I am not sure that just having experiences without any sense of self is enough for a first person POV, but if it is, certainly consciousness, in the sense of having experiences of other things, is a lot older than 30,000 years. Hundreds of millions of years is more like it; dinosaurs certainly had experiences. Did they have a first person pov?
^^^^^^^ CB; Good point. Species before humans were less social than humans. So, individual animals were more independent individuals than humans. The more independent first person point of view originated with the first individual animals. It got less first person independent with the emergence of humans. Human first persons are less independent of second and third persons than are first animals. Animal egoes are more individual in their lives than human egos.
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