As to Yoshie's claim that she's never seen provocations, I don't get it. What were you talking about before, then, saying truthfully that a bad attitude is not a crime? You whipsaw a lot, you know.
--- tfast <tfast at yorku.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Chuck wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >Well, we DO live in a police state and you don't
> have to be an American
> > >person of color to point that out.
> >
> >
> > We live in Lockdown America, as Christian Parenti
> calls it, but
> > that's not the same as a police state.
> >
> >
> > >The U.S. incarcerates more people than any other
> nation on the planet.
> >
> >
> > You're not one of them. If we lived in a police
> state, you would be,
> > wouldn't you?
> >
> Given American incarceration rates perhaps political
> dissidence partly takes
> the individualistic form (crime)? But more to the
> point, Chuck was arguing
> that to engage in serious political dissent at the
> collective level runs the
> risk of temporary incarceration. Being incarcerated
> by the state for
> peaceful dissent (no-matter) the length of the time
> is political repression
> organized by the state and carried out by the
> police. The only thing which
> mitigates against a "real" police state is an
> independent judiciary that
> does not seem too interested in allowing state
> sponsored political
> repression to go beyond police "harassment". Indeed
> in Canada the police
> and the Crown have had very little success in
> getting the courts to convict
> on the charges that are brought against political
> protesters. In a full
> police state the judiciary would simply rubber stamp
> the actions of the
> police.
>
> Travis
>
>
>
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