[lbo-talk] Pleasure, Pain and All That Jazz

[John Thornton]

You weren't referring to criminal assault when you wrote: "then 
organized bdsmers wouldn't spend so much time trumpeting the need to be 
inside the bdsm community to avoid abuse and abusers."? What abuse were 
you referring to if not criminal assault, people merely being mean to 
others? [JT]
>
> How about, "Do it because you love me"? That's one of the most 
> coercive statements possible, and it can evoke almost any human behavior.
>
> All the best,
>
>     John A

"Do it because you love me" holds true for het sex practitioners just as 
much but I don't recall you writing that any two people on a date are 
"playing with fire."
Nothing you've written yet has explained why consent between BDSM 
practitioners is "thornier" than the consent between people engaged in 
any other form of sex.
If you can't find any evidence to support the idea that there is a 
connection between BDSM and non-consensual sexual violence or that abuse 
and coercion are much greater problems in the BDSM community than they 
are for high schoolers dating, among dating co-workers, or among 
practitioners of any other form of sex play then it seems foolish to 
keep insisting that it still must be true.

John Thornton