[lbo-talk] Pleasure, Pain and All That Jazz

John Adams jadams01 at sprynet.com
Thu Jan 11 16:10:18 PST 2007


On Jan 11, 2007, at 5:38 PM, John Thornton wrote:


>> You're really quite free with what I have and haven't said. I haven't
>> said a word about criminal behavior. Not all coercion is criminal,
>> you know, nor is it necessarily ethically wrong, even when it may not
>> be good for the object of coercion. [John A.]
>>
>
> Last time I checked assault was a crime. Isn't practicing discipline
> on a non-consenting person assault?

There's a large grey area between coercion and consent.


> You weren't referring to criminal assault when you wrote: "then
> organized bdsmers wouldn't spend so much time trumpeting the need to
> be inside the bdsm community to avoid abuse and abusers."? What abuse
> were you referring to if not criminal assault, people merely being
> mean to others?

How about, "Do it because you love me"? That's one of the most coercive statements possible, and it can evoke almost any human behavior.

All the best,

John A



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