[lbo-talk] Left hand puritanism the lost re-bottle

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For a very different picture of Oliver Cromwell and
the English Revolution, see Christopher Hill's books
Oliver Cromwell and his two books on Milton
(Cromwell's secretary). My working class Irish friends
in England when I was in grad school still hared
Cromwell, whose Irish policies were brutal even by
English colonial standards. But Hill depicts the
Commonwealth as a period of relative tolerance and
religious experimentation in England, yes, he
discusses the Putney debates and what happened to the
Diggers. If I recollect he also argues that Cromwell
was not directly involved in Charles I's execution.
The legality of which is debatable --  it's  not
enough to simply declare it illegal. Some of the
leading lawyers in England at the time thought it was
legal. They were partisan, but so was everyone.

When I was in grad school over there a long time ago
my Trotskyist dept secretary and I were booed for
going to our local pub during (Prince) Charles &
Diana's wedding in 1981 and noisily toasting the
English Republic.

--- Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:


> 
> Wasn't a body found on Sade's estate? My memory
> fails
> me.
> 
> --- Shane Mage <shmage at pipeline.com> wrote:
> 
> > James Heartfield wrote:
> > 
> > >Making the case for De Sade over the Puritans,
> > Shane Mage cites the 
> > >massacres at Drogheda...
> > 
> > Was that, or was it not, characteristic of
> > Cromwellian Puritanism? And
> > why was that monster Sade never even accused of
> > killing anyone?
> > 
> > >  ...the illegal execution of King Charles I as
> > negatives...
> > 
> > And wasn't that illegality as characteristic of
> > Puritan conceptions
> > of justice as the withcraft trials?  And why was
> > that monster Sade
> > repeatedly imprisoned without any form of trial?
> > 
> > >  and De Sade's pamphlet against capital
> punishment
> > (a noble against 
> > >capital punishment in revolutionary France - you
> > don't say!) as a 
> > >positive.
> > 
> > Were there any others written? Not, I wager,  by
> > anyone whom anyone 
> > here has ever head of.  Perhaps Philippe E'galite'
> > (ci-devant 
> > d'Orleans) had
> > such thoughts, but only after his stupid nephew
> and
> > Dumouriez had
> > put paid to his own scheme to become a
> Revolutionary
> > Monarch once
> > his vote to cut off his cousin's head had cleared
> > the way.
> > 
> > >... On this side of the Atlantic...
> > 
> > You mean this side of the Irish Sea, this side of
> > Hadrian's Wall, and this
> > side of La Manche
> > 
> > >...we radicals still name our children Oliver...
> > 
> > What kind of "radicals" (or should that be
> Radicals)
> > go through their
> > Calendar of Radical Saints to find an odious name
> > like Oliver when fine
> > names like Gerard (Winstanley) and John (Lilburne)
> > are free for the asking?
> > 
> > ...and toast Cromwell for hacking Charles I's head
> > off...
> > 
> > Thereby making Charles II the most beloved King in
> > English History.
> > 
> > Shane Mage
> > 
> > "This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
> > always was and is 
> > and shall be: an everlasting fire, kindling in
> > measures and going out 
> > in measures."
> > 
> > Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 30
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