As for restaurants proper, I'm beginning to feel my own cooking is better, in most cases. Except for one, in Spoleto many years ago, but that was more about the ambiance than the food.
BobW
--- John Thornton <jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I realize I'm chiming in late in this thread but
> I've been too busy this
> week to do otherwise. I've been working on a job
> that offer no
> compensation (for me) and which I am not being
> coerced to do and yet I'm
> happy to spend 10 hours a day doing. In high heat
> and humidity as well.
> Work and remuneration are not opposite sides of the
> same coin.
>
> The only person I've seen on this list who seems to
> believe that
> "income", however defined, should not be contingent
> upon "work", also
> nebulously defined, is Bill.
> Why is this?
> Why shouldn't only those who wish to work do so
> doing whatever they wish
> and then simply combine the fruits of that into a
> common "pile" from
> which everyone draws equally regardless of
> contribution?
> Wouldn't this seem to be the least coercive
> arrangement that would
> maximize everyone's freedom to do as they choose?
> What could possibly be seen as unfair about such an
> arrangement?
>
> I've never understood the incentive to work idea.
> Coerced to do shit
> work I understand perfectly but incentive to work?
> It is it's own
> incentive as far as I can see.
> Most of the work that goes on is unnecessary and
> eliminating it would do
> us and the environment a lot of good.
> We could not possibly partition out all the
> necessary work to three
> hours per day from all able bodied persons so why
> try?
> I've corresponded with Michael Albert on this point
> specifically and
> while he has never conceded the point his arguments
> against it are
> incredibly weak and rooted in irrational fear, as
> have been all
> arguments against this idea I have yet to see.
>
> To directly answer Doug's question as posed to Bill:
> "do you think a
> just society should allow some people to coast by on
> the labor of others?"
> Of course! When my work allows others the freedom to
> not work it
> maximizes my own freedom.
> I actually have more freedom under such a system
> than I would under any
> other system. Anything less is a less just societal
> arrangement.
>
>
> John Thornton
> P.S. Bill, I love eating at restaurants and would
> hate to see them
> disappear. I also love cooking large meals for
> groups, under my own
> terms, so shit jobs shouldn't be considered a
> necessary part of
> restaurants, only restaurants in a grotesque
> for-profit system. While my
> home is large enough to entertain 25+ people not
> everyone's is and
> restaurants provide great gathering spaces for
> important socializing.
> Unless you consider gathering/socializing while
> eating unnecessary in
> which case I'd say you're missing something
> important.
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