[lbo-talk] Liberal Intellectuals and the Coordinator Class

Tayssir John Gabbour tayssir.john at googlemail.com
Tue Jul 17 00:35:30 PDT 2007


On 7/15/07, John Thornton <jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I've corresponded with Michael Albert on this point specifically and
> while he has never conceded the point his arguments against it are
> incredibly weak and rooted in irrational fear, as have been all
> arguments against this idea I have yet to see.
>
> To directly answer Doug's question as posed to Bill: "do you think a
> just society should allow some people to coast by on the labor of others?"
> Of course! When my work allows others the freedom to not work it
> maximizes my own freedom.
> I actually have more freedom under such a system than I would under any
> other system. Anything less is a less just societal arrangement.

These arguments look very similar to the rejection of institutional constraints that some anarchists have. I got the impression that you don't actually want an economic system, in the sense I think of it: a collection of people playing societal roles and forming institutions.

So it's no surprise that you find the whole thing irrational and unjust.

Hahnel claimed that humans are social, in that we build social institutions and cooperate within them to take care of our needs and desires. (Certainly not just economic ones, but also for procreation, etc.) Of course, we're more than just our social selves; we're also self-creating and so on.

So the question is, if we happen to like building social institutions, what do we want from them?

In case anyone's interested, here's a snippet of his argument:

"Throughout history people have created social institutions to

help meet their most urgent needs and desires. To satisfy our

economic needs we have tried a variety of arrangements –

feudalism, capitalism, and centrally planned "socialism" to name a

few – that assign duties and rewards among economic participants

in different ways. But we have also created different kinds of

kinship relations through which people seek to satisfy sexual

needs and accomplish child rearing goals, as well as different

religious, community, and political organizations and institutions

for meeting cultural needs and achieving political goals. Of

course the particular social arrangements in different spheres of

social life, and the relations among them, vary from society to

society. But what is common to all human societies is the

elaboration of social relationships for the joint identification

and pursuit of individual need fulfillment.

"To develop a theory that expresses this view of humans – as a

self-conscious, self-creative, social species – and this view of

society – as a web of interconnected spheres of social life – we

first concentrate on concepts helpful for thinking about people,

or the human center; next on concepts that help us understand

social institutions,or the institutional boundary within which

individuals function; and finally on the relationship between the

human center and institutional boundary, and the possible

relations between four spheres of social life."

[...]

"Why must there be social institutions? If we were mind readers,

or if we had infinite time to consult with one another, human

societies might not require mediating institutions. But if there

is to be a 'division of labor,' and if we are neither omniscient

nor immortal, people must act on the basis of expectations about

other people's behavior. If I make a pair of shoes in order to

sell them to pay a dentist to fill my daughter's cavities, I am

expecting others to play the role of shoe buyer, and dentists to

render their services for a fee. I neither read the minds of the

shoebuyers and dentist, nor take the time to arrange and confirm

all these coordinated activities before proceeding to make the

shoes. Instead I act based on expectations about others' behavior.

"So institutions are then necessary consequence of human

sociability combined with our lack of omniscience and our

mortality – which has important implications for the tendency

among some anarchists to conceive of the goal of liberation as the

abolition of all institutions. Anarchists correctly note that

individuals are not completely 'free' as long as institutional

constraints exist. Any institutional boundary makes some

individual choices easier and others harder, and therefore

infringes on individual freedom to some extent. But abolishing

social institutions is impossible for the human species. The

relevant question about institutions, therefore, should not be

whether we want them to exist, but whether any particular

institution poses unnecessarily oppressive limitations, or

promotes human development and fulfillment to the maximum extent

possible."

-- Robin Hahnel, _ABCs of Political Economy_

Tayssir



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