[lbo-talk] Liberal Intellectuals and the Coordinator Class

Robert Wrubel bobwrubel at yahoo.com
Wed Jul 18 06:25:20 PDT 2007


It's perfectly reasonable, but theoretical, to imagine that human beings will evolve into more cooperative beings in a state of socialism. Because it can't be proved ahead of time is no reason not to move toward it. Spiritual programs and diets work that way: you posit a better human condition and the steps to reach it, and people actually do change by trying it.

Fear of freeloaders, worry that there won't be enough people to do the work, fretting about the details of equal compensation and rewards for extra work, feel like projections of our current fallen state under capitalism, where work is competitive, anxiety-making and unfair. Others have already said this, on this thread.

--- Tayssir John Gabbour <tayssir.john at googlemail.com> wrote:


> On 7/18/07, John Thornton <jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > The idea that we must fear too few people working
> and too many people
> > loafing is unfounded as far as I can see.
> > People are just projecting the fucked up climate
> of today into the
> > future when the worry about such things. Why would
> individuals raised in
> > a society that valued cooperation above
> competition and contribution
> > above reward be the lazy shits people on this list
> worry about?
>
> Maybe you're projecting the "lazy shits" part? We're
> all lazy to some
> extent, just as we also have strong human impluses
> towards creating
> and learning things.
>
> We build social arrangements in order to cooperate.
> Because we know we
> have strengths and weaknesses. Many of these complex
> arrangements have
> strong effects on us and the world. Which ones seem
> to have good
> effects; which have worse?
>
> I haven't found any magic answer, personally. Only
> incomplete guesses
> to try out in the real world.
>
>
> Tayssir
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