[lbo-talk] Raúl on the 26th + Fidel on Cuba's Self Criticism

Dmytri Kleiner dk at telekommunisten.net
Sat Jul 28 09:02:32 PDT 2007


Chuck wrote:
> Dmytri Kleiner wrote:
>
>> Criticize Castro all you want. As an anarchist I am also critical of
>> Statist regimes, but all of them, I don't mimic the propaganda industry
>> in reserving particular vitriol for enemies of the US.
>>
>> Compared with other actual States, claiming that Cuba has accomplished
>> nothing for it's people is just reactionary bunk.
>
> Oh brother. Yes, anarchists should be critical of all statist regimes
> and nobody is more consistent on this than me.

It didn't appear that way in this case Chuck.


> It's very troublesome that you respond to my criticism with another
> variation of the disgusting Leftist defense of all things Castro: if you
> criticize Castro, you are doing the work of the U.S. government.

Nonsense, you did not make any criticism of Castro, or comment and any aspect of Cuba or Castro whatever. All you did was make a derogatory remark casting him as a dictator, when, all anarchists should know, the "leaders" of any state which guarantees private property by force are dictators, this is among the core-concepts in anarchism.

Thus lashing out as Castro as dictator while making _no other comments_ is exactly mimicking the propaganda industry in creating an impression that Castro is somehow //more// dictatorial than your average Statist regime, which is not an anarchist point of view that I can understand.

Further, the "Castro has done nothing" argument is also an aspect of the US propoganda, and you presented it uncritically. Despite the fact that the facts of objective reality show that Cuba has done remarkably well for a poor, isolated country.


> For a bunch of Leftists who like to act smug about the Americans who
> still blindly support George Bush, they act just the same way when it
> comes to the regime that runs Cuba.

This is garbage. Pointing out that Cuba has exceeded all reasonable expectations for a poor, isolated country is in no way the same as blindly supporting //the current global hegemon//.


> I'm reserving particular vitriol for Cuba because American leftists have
> this embarassing weak spot for the indefensible, authoritrian regime
> that runs that country. The job of an anarchist is to make hamburger out
> of sacred cows.

You are not doing anything about any sacred cows because the little that you actual said, "Castro has done nothing," is demonstrably false and your characterization of Castro as a dictator is uninteresting; all States are dictorships as any Anarchist ought to know.

You personal crusade against the foibles of "American Leftist" seems more like a juvenile tirade against "Posers" that a serious argument as well.

How do you feel about Hugo Chavez, btw?

Cheers.

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