[lbo-talk] Raúl on the 26th + Fidel on Cuba's Self Criticism

Dmytri Kleiner dk at telekommunisten.net
Mon Jul 30 11:46:04 PDT 2007


Chuck wrote:
> John Thornton wrote:
>
>> Cuba is a typical post-revolutionary state?
>
> It must be, because Yoshie says that it's self-evident that the Cuban
> revolution was susscessful. Given how other lefties defend Cuba, it's
> safe to assume that Cuba demonstrates the kind of revolution that some
> people on this list want.

What criteria are you using for success and what do you mean by "revolution."

If by "revolution" you mean insurrection/coup then clearly it was succesull as it did replace the state. And, as has been pointed out, the Cuban state has exceeded expectations.

Your argument here escapes me.

Are you saying that Cuba is worse that other _States_ or not?


> I really don't know. Was the Cuban revolution about medical care?

Yes.

In so much as it was about the general poverty of the Cuban people, lack of medical care being a component of poverty.

Did you think it was about philosophy?


>> Which one of them has a literacy rate to rival Cuba?


> Hey, at least Cubans can read the packaging on those rice and beans they
> have to eat every day!

What is your solution for feeding them more? Hating Castro?

What are the people in Haiti eating?


>> What other post-revolutionary states have statistical similarities to
>> Cuba and what are they?


> Are you really arguing that Cuba had a revolution? Scary.

The Batista State was overthrown and a different State replaced it, that, sometimes, is called a Revolution.

I agree that it is not my idea of revolution, but that is beside the point.


> Let's hope
> that there aren't any more like Cuba's. I'd hate to live in that kind of
> "post-revolutionary" situation.

You would rather have lived under Batista?


>> If this is the best rebuttal you have you don't a rebuttal at all.


> Rebutting my comments with the standard leftist zombie argument about
> Cuban doctors is really laughable.

Only if you consider the actual well being of the Cuban people as secondary to your own feelings about Castro.


>> Since the ultimate fate of Cuba's socialist state has yet to be written
>> it points out the folly of nothing except to sooth-seers.


> Plenty has been written. 50 years of Castro is enough.

I ask you again, do you really believe that changing the face of an elite class eliminates it's dictatorship?

You cry "50 years is enough!" But what do you mean by that? What is your proposal? Say you could simply kill Castro, do you think that would help the Cuban people?

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