[lbo-talk] cruise report

Robert Wrubel bobwrubel at yahoo.com
Mon Jul 30 13:40:38 PDT 2007


I think Carl can call FDR "one tough dude" without being accused of thinking that if only current Dems were like FDR all would be well. He WAS a tough dude, not just for not giving in to his physical problems, but for standing up to the business interests who vilified him and his progressive programs in the thirties.

Sure, it all fit in with the grand march of capital and empire. I presume anyone who hangs out on this site knows that.

I too grew up in a Roosevelt idolizing family, and didnt get over it until the Vietnam war forced me to.

Bob W --- Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:


>
>
> Carl Remick wrote:
> >
> > >From: Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu>
> > >
> > >Eleanor (NOT FRANKLIN) Roosevelt
> >
> > Yes, Franklin -- he'll always be a hero to me.
> Here's one of my favorite FDR
> > photos, pre-paralysis. He was one tough hombre.
>
> Look. I grew up in an atmosphere in which FDR was
> second only to God. I
> can remember listening on the radio to the Martin,
> Barton & Fish" and
> the "Fala's scotch heart" speeches. His voice has
> never left me. BUT, he
> (in contrast to Eleanor) was as racist as the DP as
> a whole. And someone
> spoke of his having more imagination than current DP
> leaders. Yes. He
> imagined the whole future of the u.s. as the
> imperialist hegemon, and
> adapted WW2 strategy accordingly. His administration
> vigorously
> supported a series of mass murderers in the
> Caribbean and Latin America.
>
> The appearance of FDR in this thread shows a major
> weakness in left
> thinking, at least of sophisticated leftists who
> value their own
> intelligence and sensitivity: they stupidly think
> that what is wrong
> with the DP is its lack of intelligence, its lack of
> sensitivity, and
> its and its failures of imagination. Bullshit.
> Hillary & Obama and
> EDwards and t he rest of the war criminals are every
> bit as imaginative,
> sensitive, and intelligent as FDR. Only the
> condtions of the empire have
> changed.
>
> Carrol
>
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