[lbo-talk] Understanding _Capital_ (Was Re: barbaric)

Dmytri Kleiner dk at telekommunisten.net
Mon Mar 12 14:00:25 PDT 2007


Tayssir John Gabbour wrote:
> On 3/12/07, Dmytri Kleiner <dk at telekommunisten.net> wrote:
>> What is the role of a parecon-supermarket? Other than to provide shelves?
>
> In the real world, stores play all sorts of roles. Bookstores offer
> social and escapist spaces. Etc.

And these affect the application of productive factors towards consumer demand, how?


> In reponse to a common, thoughtful objection, I mentioned one way that
> people avoid a similar class of objections in the real world. But of
> course I'm drawing an analogy, rather than anything more concrete. No
> crystal ball, I'm afraid.

I'm afraid I do not understand the logic of the analogy, as it doesn't seem to address the criticism of parecon that was made. Or perhaps I'm missing something.

Chuck wrote:

> Dmytri Kleiner wrote:

>> What is the role of a parecon-supermarket? Other

>> than to provide shelves?

> Parecon will determine the correct arrangement of shelves before the

> revolution happens.

Great! That's one less thing we'll have to worry about then.

[...]

> "There are few problems that cannot be solved through the use of

> adequate shelving."

> -- old Chuck0 saying

Just to be pedantic and spell out the implications of Chuck's perfect joke:

Believing we can mastermind every detail of production and distribution in a post-capitalist scenario presupposes that we have already solved the problem of achieving a social order that is remotely interested in our suggestions. Capitalism isn't.

Worker's self-organization of production needs to be achieved first, before we can have sufficient wealth to apply towards Political change.

Political power is an extension of economic power, thus any change in the Political structure can only follow, and not proceed, changes in the mode of production.

What I would like to know about parecon is what it offers to self-organising workers looking for a Socialist means of mutual capital formation and mutual rent capture right now, inorder to accomplish radical changes in the mode of production?

-- Dmytri Kleiner, robotnik Telekommunisten, Berlin.

dk at telekommunisten.net http://www.telekommunisten.net freenode/#telnik



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