[lbo-talk] Iranian underground....

Doug Henwood dhenwood at panix.com
Wed Mar 14 06:57:51 PDT 2007


I wouldn't argue that you have to be inside something to comment on it but I can't help but notice this exchange features two outsiders telling an insider that he's way wrong about something he knows well.

Doug

On Mar 14, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:


> On 3/14/07, Lenin's Tomb <leninstombblog at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On 3/14/07, Ansar al-Zindiqi <infidelinfinity at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is far from being a dead end no matter which way
>>> one wants to cut it. he Apostate Insurgency is happening
>>> all over the place nowadays. I should know since I'm a
>>> member of faithfreedom.org. How can leaving a totalitarian
>>> ideology whose founder was a pedophile, murderer, thief
>>> and overall creep extraordinaire and having to hide that
>>> revulsion be a dead end? In fact for people leaving Islam
>>> the growth of underground cells in every Muslim community
>>> is the dawn of a new day and al-Qaeda's worst nightmare. If
>>> you want to debate me on this issue then come on up to FFI's
>>> forums. There's a lot of rightwingers there but there are
>>> also some
>>> very smart people who would love to debate you.
>>> Can you handle it?
>>
>> This is bonkers. What you are doing here is insisting that the only
>> legitimate opposition to Al Qaeda salafism is apostasy. I am myself
>> an atheist, but I don't go round insulting Protestants or insisting
>> that they must all be KKK or Ian Paisley acolytes. You are isolating
>> yourself politically and intellectually from most Muslims, assuring
>> your political irrelevance. I might add that you are also, in your
>> manner of handling it, encouraging the racists, and also the
>> imperialists who rely on racist, supremacist nonsense about Muslims.
>> If you weren't such an irrelevance, I'd say your conduct is
>> pernicious.
>
> An ex-Muslim "insurgency" is like an "insurgency" of anticommunists
> who are former Communists. Building one's social and political
> identity as merely the opposite of what it used to be is a dead end.
> It can be lucrative in the West, though, especially if you are
> gorgeous like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Irshad Manji.
> --
> Yoshie
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