[lbo-talk] How to explain things to (right-wing) libertarians

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Carl's sarcasm is SO persuasive. We start out from a
position of appalling weakness with no allies. We
regard coalition building as "regrettable necessity."
We refuse to compromise with anyone who differs from
us in the slightest, insisting it's our way or the
high way. The outcome is totally predictable. We don't
even get to the able. We don't even get to lose. We
don't get to be considered players. I realize Carl is
depressed and angry, but so am I. I assume he's not
stupid, just venting. But his position is stupid.
Suicidal. Idiotic. Frankly, as the last six years of
the Bush administration shows, Carl's position is
totally moronic even if you have virtually
unchallengeable monopoly power. If saying the obvious
makes me a corporate sellout and class collaborator, I
plead guilty, Mr. PR Man. 

What makes you morally superior to me, btw, although
that's irrelevant to the truth of our position? You
used to shill for the other side. I represented them
in litigation. You think that somehow makes you
better?

--- Carl Remick <carlremick at hotmail.com> wrote:


> >From: Miles Jackson <cqmv at pdx.edu>
> >
> >Carl Remick wrote:
> > > Conceding that coalition-building may be a
> regrettable necessity, I 
> >think
> > > experience shows that the secret to any kind of
> successful bargaining is 
> >to
> > > *start* from an extreme, unreasonable,
> uncompromising position ;-)
> >
> >As a seasoned union bargaining team member, I can
> verify that Carl's
> >strategy is the least effective way to bargain.
> 
> In view of how powerful and effective US unions have
> been for many, many 
> years, I once again defer to superior wisdom.
> 
> >The first, crucial step
> >in effective negotiation is to identify mutual
> interests; then the
> >involved parties can work on how those mutual
> interests can be achieved.
> 
> Gee, if only AFL founder Samuel Gompers had known
> that the "win/win" POV is 
> the key to sucess, he might have been an effective
> labor advocate.  It's a 
> pity he was mired in an adversarial frame of mind
> reflected by comments 
> like:
> 
> *  "We do want more, and when it becomes more, we
> shall still want more. And 
> we shall never cease to demand more until we have
> received the results of 
> our labor."
> 
> *  "It is impossible for capitalists and laborers to
> have common interests."
> 
> Carl
> 
>
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