[lbo-talk] snitching debate

Mr. WD mister.wd at gmail.com
Fri May 11 11:57:38 PDT 2007


Decades of police brutality and police/state abuse of power against people of color have resulted in "informing" being turned into "snitching". The question is whether the police can ever be brought back in to line. After years of liberal yammering-on about police-community partnerships, etc. -- with no long term, substantive results that I am aware of -- it's worth asking the question if police in a capitalist society can ever be reformed so that they won't have an antagonistic relationship with the people who live in poor and minority communities. I would say no: Policing attracts individuals with authoritarian personalities and the inequalities capitalism generates will always create groups of people who will be vulnerable to police abuse.

The answer to the problem posed in the BC piece seems to be some form of genuine, autonomous community policing. But this, of course, could never be tolerated, since it would constitute a direct challenge to the state's monopoly on violence... But that doesn't mean folks shouldn't give it a try anyway.

-WD

On 5/11/07, Dennis Claxton <ddclaxton at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Here's the second half of something new from Black Commentator
> related to the plea agreement topic that's come up here. I'm not
> overly fond of the term "prison industrial complex" because I think
> it misplaces emphasis on cheap prison labor and profits made from
> prison construction and prison privitization. I don't think those
> are even close to the key issues. But it looks like a term that's
> here to stay.
>
>
> http://www.blackcommentator.com/229/229_snitching_rogers_ed_bd.html
>
>
> One of my favorite old school rappers, Chuck D of Public Enemy, has
> come down heavy on the perversion of snitching and I totally agree
> with him. "The term 'snitch' was best applied to those that ratted
> revolutionaries like Huey P. Newton, Bobby Seale, Che Guevara," he
> said. "Let's not let stupid cats use hip-hop to again twist this
> meaning for the sake of some 'innerganghood' violent drug-thug crime
> dogs, who've sacrificed the black community's women and children."
>
> We must resist the merging of snitching and informing. Such a
> campaign was never intended to be used only to save one's butt or in
> the case of gangsta rappers like Busta and Cam'ron to protect their
> slimy businesses.
>
> By the 1980s, the introduction of crack cocaine to our communities
> resulted in the destruction of our families and neighborhoods. It was
> like an unstoppable disease, striking its victims regardless of their
> financial situation, age, politics or education. The gang-led drug
> wars wreaked havoc on our lives and black folks were desperate to end
> the carnage. It was in this swamp that the new phase of snitching emerged.
>
> Aided and abetted by police and department policies, many a young man
> was pressured into giving a name that resulted in an arrest and
> conviction. Estimates suggest that one in twelve men in urban
> communities has been used as an informant. One of the many problems
> with getting "caught up" with the law is that one is placed in a
> compromised position whether they are good for the crime or not.
> Sadly, too many will sell their mama's soul to avoid prosecution or a
> police whooping. Boston defense attorney Harvey Silverglate has noted
> that rewards for informers encourage them "not only to sing, but to compose."
>
> Under the banner of a so-called war on drugs, an assembly line of our
> sons, uncles, fathers and friends have gone straight into the prison
> industrial complex. Despite the fact that whites use more illicit
> drugs than blacks, a cottage prison industry swallowed up hundreds of
> thousands of black and brown people. By 2002, the US prison
> population reached an historic 2 million with about half a million of
> those being drug-related, non-violent offenses. Some criminals were
> put away through credible police work and the assistance of honest
> citizens doing their civic duty. Far too many of them were not, as
> verified by the growing number of exonerees over the last several years.
>
> I have been doing work around the prison industrial complex for over
> 30 years. I've seen more than my fair share of people who were
> coerced in some form or fashion to bear false witness for the sordid
> purposes of police and prosecutors. I don't call this snitching. I
> call it what it is: forced confessions. I've seen it in rape cases
> before the advent of DNA, where the police kept showing a traumatized
> rape victim a photo of their suspect, until finally, the image in the
> victim's memory was successfully supplanted by the photo image. This
> is such powerful manipulation that even when, years later, DNA
> exonerated the wrongfully convicted, the rape victim steadfastly held
> onto her original testimony and rebuked the forensic science.
>
> I can point to a dramatic example of how snitching and giving
> reliable information to police collided. In St. Louis, I worked on a
> case that for years put a chill on citizens coming forward to help
> police solve a crime. When Ellen Reasonover, a young single mother
> with no criminal history, came forward to give police information
> about the murder of a gas station attendant, the police looked no
> further. Ellen was quickly labeled the suspect. She was arrested,
> charged and served 17 years before evidence was found that had been
> hidden by prosecutors to ensure a guilty verdict. The police used
> jailhouse snitches, an often-used but unreliable practice, to testify
> against Ellen at trial.
>
>
>
> We have on record, numerous cases similar to Ellen's that have led to
> innocent people serving time. But we also have on record, incidents
> where persons came forward with information for police; their
> identity was exposed, setting off a whole other set of circumstances.
> The scenario would go something like this: Citizen Smith calls the
> police on a group of young men who have been observed selling drugs
> on the same corner or out of the same house. The police apprehend
> them and disclose that Citizen Smith called them to investigate the
> alleged drug-dealing.
>
> If we really are going to get down with the truth, you have to
> include the police in the accountability circle. Their blue wall of
> silence has no room in their own ranks for those cops who accuse one
> of their own of criminal intent. Yet police expect unconditional
> cooperation when they need help from the community. You can't have it
> both ways.
>
>
>
> All communities have the right to be safe and secure, including
> African-American communities. We have an historically complicated and
> hostile relationship with police that has to be understood,
> regardless of how much we want to rid our neighborhoods of its
> criminal parasites. Those who rightfully don't trust the police to
> Serve and Protect must play a greater role in helping to come up with
> whatever the alternative is going to be that ensures that our
> grandmothers can walk to the store without being robbed and that our
> children can play in front of the house without fear of a stray
> bullet finding their small vulnerable bodies.
>
> The bottom line is that the US model of justice needs a comprehensive
> overhaul. It needs to seek a whole new definition of justice because
> as it stands now, most of the crooks, both in high and low places,
> are still on the outside of the bars.
>
> BC Editorial Board member Jamala Rogers is the leader of the
> Organization for Black Struggle in St. Louis and the Black Radical
> Congress National Organizer. Click here to contact Ms. Rogers.
>
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