> Andie,
>
> Okay, so you say "of course" capitalists use Marxism
> against itself, which was my contention from the
> beginning. So I'm not sure what we're arguing about,
> if we're even arguing.
>
> My point was that folks like Zoellick are highly class
> conscious and advisers to such top officials are
> generally very cognizant of Marxist ideas, moreso than
> the actual working class. You seem to agree. Cleaver
> cites a lot of capitalist theorists that have employed
> Marx's insights for the benefit of capital. It seems
> you agree they do indeed do this, but yet you "think
> he's [Cleaver] wrong" (your exact quote). Sooooo....
> what is he wrong about?
>
> All I know is what I see on the printed page in front
> of me: Marxist theory presented to managerial elites,
> the likes of which you'd never find at vocational
> school, etc. I have never said Marxists are
> omnipresent in academia or anything remotely
> resembling that. I wish there were more. I said that
> many pro-caps use Marxism but "turn the formula upside
> down, as it were." (My exact words in a previous
> post.) To benefit capital, not labor.
>
> Seems you agree, I guess? If so, then maybe we're at
> cross-purposes or something, and I have no idea what
> your argument is with. But where's Cleaver wrong with
> the list of folks he cites as using Marxist theory for
> capitalist purposes?
>
> -B.
>
>
>
> andie nachgeborenen wrote:
>
> "Marxism and other radical thought has little or no
> exposure _as such) in the academy. This is territory I
> know; I've spent most of my adult life in the biz,
> both at glitzy and not so glitzy institutions here and
> in England. Let me tell you from the inside as someone
> who lost one academic (philosophy) job for being too
> red, you'd have to be a complete idiot to come out as
> a Marxist, anarchist, socialist, revolutionary, or
> other sort of radical if you were not tenured and
> didn't have ambitions to move to a more prestigious
> school. Cleaver's no fool, but he's eccentric, and I
> think he's wrong.'
>
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