[lbo-talk] counting to 200 -- how about 500

Carrol Cox cbcox at ilstu.edu
Fri Nov 9 07:28:15 PST 2007


I will try to come back to this in two or three months, but for now three points: a) Levels of abstraction; b) contexts c) see Marvin's post.

Carrol

Doug Henwood wrote:
>
> On Nov 9, 2007, at 8:24 AM, Carrol Cox wrote:
>
> > Which brings me back to my point that people are changed (a) by
> > conditions which cause them to look for something to change to and (b)
> > personal conversation, not books or radio broadcasts or journals. That
> > is why an organizer/agitator talks only to people who already _on some
> > one point_, agree with him/her. That one point can be something like
> > individual criminality.
>
> I am talking about talking to people who are more or less sympatico.
> People of almost any ideological complexion fixate on anecdotes and
> personalities - all those aspects of individuals and agency you
> normally dismiss. And people who are engaged by circumstances are
> going to be engaged about particulars. So how do you reconcile this
> position with your dismissal of scandal and criminality, since that's
> almost always the starting point of engagement - a point which it is
> very difficult to get beyond - in favor of the Systemic? Who has
> direct experience of The Systemic?
>
> Doug
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