I've always it thought was the mad-dog principle. We have this mad dog more or less on the leash and we can't restrain him very well, he will go and eat the neighbor's pets and bite the children, but if we let go he'll tear you to pieces.
--- Robert Wrubel <bobwrubel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yoshie wrote:
>
> "objectively, it is not Zionism that moves the
> US-led
> multinational empire but the empire that makes use
> of
> Zionism -- just as it exploits any other kind of
> identity politics, whether it is based on race,
> gender, sexuality, ethnicity,occupation, or whatever
> -- and will discard it if it ceases to be useful to
> it."
>
> Zionism may be an identity politics in the US but it
> is a national ideology and geo-political agenda in
> Israel. How exactly is Israel's policy of
> geographical
> expansion, apartheid in Palestine, aggression
> against
> Lebanon and frenzy to attack Iran useful to the US?
>
> BW
>
>
> --- Yoshie Furuhashi <critical.montages at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 10/15/07, Russell Grinker <grinker at mweb.co.za>
> > wrote:
> > > >From The Times Online
> > >
> > > October 15, 2007
> > > Dawkins and the Jews: a reply
> > >
> > > A little over a week ago I linked to an
> > extraordinary statement made by
> > > Richard Dawkins about the power of the Jews.
> > >
> > > In case you missed it here it is again:
> > > When you think about how fantastically
> successful
> > the Jewish
> > > lobby has been, though, in fact, they are less
> > numerous I am
> > > told - religious Jews anyway - than atheists and
> > [yet they]
> > > more or less monopolise American foreign policy
> as
> > far as
> > > many people can see. So if atheists could
> achieve
> > a small
> > > fraction of that influence, the world would be a
> > better place.
> >
> >
>
<http://montages.blogspot.com/2007/10/new-atheists-ideological-inversion.html>
> > New Atheists' Ideological Inversion
> >
> > Richard Dawkins, one of the so-caled New Atheists,
> > is quoted as saying
> > in the Guardian:
> >
> > "When you think about how fantastically
> > successful
> > the Jewish lobby has been, though, in fact,
> > they are
> > less numerous I am told -- religious Jews
> > anyway --
> > than atheists and [yet they] more or less
> > monopolise
> > American foreign policy as far as many people
> > can
> > see. So if atheists could achieve a small
> > fraction of
> > that influence, the world would be a better
> > place."
> > (Ewen MacAskill, "Atheists Arise: Dawkins
> > Spreads
> > the A-word among America's Unbelievers," 1
> > October
> > 2007)
> >
> > Dawkins' remark on Jews and atheists illustrates
> the
> > problem of the
> > New Atheists.
> >
> > One, aside from not being theists, atheists have
> > little else in common
> > with one another. Atheists can be left-wing,
> > right-wing, or
> > chicken-wing. Moreover, in many societies,
> including
> > the USA, atheists
> > tend to be more often found among the ranks of the
> > better off than
> > among the poorer half of society. That means that
> > atheism, despite
> > Dawkins' wishful thinking, is a particularly poor
> > foundation for
> > left-wing class politics.
> >
> > Two, once you begin to see things mainly through
> the
> > perspective that
> > divides the world between the religious and the
> > irreligious and pits
> > the former politically against the latter, you
> begin
> > to imagine, for
> > instance, that the Israel lobby = the Jewish lobby
> =
> > a religious
> > lobby. The subjective pillar of Zionism, however,
> is
> > not religion
> > except for Christian Zionists, and, objectively,
> it
> > is not Zionism
> > that moves the US-led multinational empire but the
> > empire that makes
> > use of Zionism -- just as it exploits any other
> kind
> > of identity
> > politics, whether it is based on race, gender,
> > sexuality, ethnicity,
> > occupation, or whatever -- and will discard it if
> it
> > ceases to be
> > useful to it. In other words, the New Atheists'
> > ideology, just like
> > religion that they criticize, inverts the real
> > world. A profane
> > illusion is no substitute for a sacred one.
> > --
> > Yoshie
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