[lbo-talk] Dewey on intelligence, co-operation, and class

Robert Wrubel bobwrubel at yahoo.com
Thu Oct 18 11:12:07 PDT 2007


Miles said: "no hunting and gathering society in the history of the planet has accomplished as much carnage, destruction, and human suffering as the U. S. military has in Iraq."

Oh, come on, Miles! We're just doing what native Americans did to southern forests so that they could shoot game better -- only we're clearing out people instead of underbrush.

BW

--- Miles Jackson <cqmv at pdx.edu> wrote:


> ravi wrote:
> > First the quote:
> >
> > To say that all past historic social progress
> has been the
> > result of co-operation and not of conflict
> would be ... an
> > exaggeration. But exaggeration against
> exaggeration, it is
> > the more reasonable of the two. And it is no
> exaggeration
> > to say that the measure of civilisation is
> the degree in
> > which the method of co-operative intelligence
> replaces the
> > method of brute conflict.
> >
> > Most who consider themselves leftists will
> probably neither disagree
> > not find anything particularly novel in the above.
>
> I disagree wholeheartedly. The assumption that
> civilisation is
> characterized by "co-operative intelligence" in
> contradistinction to the
> brutal conflict in "noncivilized" societies is
> ethnocentric through and
> through. Comparing social relations in hunting and
> gathering societies
> and our "civilized" society, I'd flip the binary
> above: brutal conflict
> is more prevalent in our "civilized" society and
> "cooperative
> intelligence" is more prevalent in the hunting and
> gathering society.
> Just to shoot fish in a barrel, no hunting and
> gathering society in the
> history of the planet has accomplished as much
> carnage, destruction, and
> human suffering as the U. S. military has in Iraq.
>
> Miles
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