Do you dispute the factual accuracy of any of my aspersions on the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran?
The rest of what you say is a lie and an evasion.
I have never said anything about most Muslims than they are ordinary people like everyone else, some good, some indifferent, some not, most of whom, btw, want bourgeois wealth and comfort like practically everyone else on this planet who is in a position to conceive such a thing.
I have said never anything about "Islam" (organized Islam) in general than that it is a religion like most others, including its sisters Christianity and Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, formerly Marxism-Leninism -- a lot of nonsensical theology about nonexistent beings that most of its adherents find some comfort in as the heart of a heartless world, no worse and no better than any other.
I do not believe I have ever used the expression "Islamofascism" except in a quote with ironic scare quotes. I decisively reject the proposition that any part of Islam, including its worst parts (the Taliban, al Qaida, and less dreadful but still unspeakable, the Iranian theocracy or the Saudi dictatorship) is fascist or constitutes a threat to even the region, must lest the world, comparable to the threat posed by the Axis in the 30s and 40s.
My position on intervention, war, sanctions, and other attacks against Muslim nations is one of implacable opposition, and as you well know, having worked with me on this for decades, this involves action and not just words. I hold to Carrol's position: US out of everywhere. I always have. You know that too.
Even suggesting anything else is defamation. It is vile. You owe me a public and unqualified apology, no hedges, no ifs and or buts, just, I'm really sorry and I was wrong to suggest anything else. I am waiting for you to come forward with it.
For the rest, you can ask your "Persian princess," Satrapi, whose work you evidently have not read or perhaps understood, whether she thinks that militant Islam is a force for liberation. I believe the import of her work to date is the opposite. I am sure that she, like, I, adamantly opposes any US or other foreign attack on Iran.
You disappoint me.
--- Yoshie Furuhashi <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/23/07, andie nachgeborenen
> <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > So, I take, Yoshie, that your answer is that
> instead
> > of imposing bourgeois wealth and liberties on the
> > unwilling masses in typical imperialist fashion,
> we
> > can let the clerics impose Sharia law, stuff the
> women
> > into chadors, authorize honor killings of raped
> women
> > who disgrace their male relatives, beat
> clean-shaven
> > men, hang the queers and stone the adulterers, and
> > build a bomb.
>
> The Right have an "Islamofascism Awareness_ Week_,"
> a modest endeavor
> in comparison to tedious repetition of leftists who
> say much the same
> thing as the Right week after week, month after
> month, year after
> year. . . . If you posted what you wrote to
> www.freerepublic.com or
> www.littlegreenfootballs.com, it wouldn't be out of
> place there -- far
> from it, it would no doubt receive many cheers from
> right-wingers who
> have too much time on their hands.
>
>
<http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamic-bigotry/81/the-violent-oppression-of-women-in-islam/>
> Terrorism Awareness Project
> The Violent Oppression of Women in Islam
>
> By Robert Spencer and Phyllis Chesler
>
> The booklet that you are about to read details some
> of the principal
> ways in which women suffer in the Islamic world –
> often with religious
> and cultural sanction. Many of these crimes against
> women, such as
> wife-beating, are ordained by the Qur'an itself;
> others, such as
> female genital mutilation and honor killing, are
> praised by Islamic
> clerics and hallowed by Islamic culture. That
> feminists in the West
> remain silent about this deeply ingrained and
> institutionalized
> mistreatment of women, and even ally with groups
> that have devoted
> themselves to the spread of Islamic law that
> justifies this
> mistreatment, is one of the unconscionable scandals
> of our time.
>
> This article is a segment of a series being run as
> part of our
> nation-wide campus effort, Islamo-Fascism Awareness
> Week, which will
> be held on 200 university and college campuses on
> October 22-26.
> Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week is a national effort
> to focus on all the
> victims of Islamo-Fascist Jihad -- as well as to
> counter the lies of
> the academic Left, which seeks to deny the evil, and
> even the very
> existence, of our enemy in this terror war. In this
> way,
> Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week hopes to educate
> American students and
> to enable them to rally to defend their country.
>
> In terms of the booklet of our subject today, its
> cover is a still
> photograph that epitomizes Islamic oppression of
> women, and it has
> come to also epitomize the Western feminist
> non-response to it. The
> picture comes from a Dutch film called De Steen (The
> Stone), directed
> by Mahnaz Tamizi, and features the actress Smadar
> Monsinos. The Stone
> dramatizes the barbaric treatment of women in
> Islamic countries. It
> accurately depicts the reality of Islamic Sharia law
> regarding
> adultery: when a couple is caught in adultery, the
> man is jailed while
> the woman is stoned to death.
>
> It is a telling indication of the intellectual and
> moral bankruptcy of
> the Left that it has fastened upon our use of this
> picture to try to
> discredit Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, since the
> photo does not
> depict an actual event – as if women weren't being
> stoned to death
> under Sharia law in Iran and some other Muslim
> countries today. In
> reality, eight women are currently in prison in Iran
> awaiting death by
> stoning for the crime of adultery. A mother was
> sentenced to be stoned
> to death in Iran for adultery just last week. It is
> typical of the
> Left to try to cast opprobrium not upon those
> responsible for these
> harsh realities, but upon us who are trying to draw
> attention to them
> in the name of human rights.
>
> It may have seemed inconceivable that feminists and
> their allies would
> defend those who bury women in the earth and kill
> them by throwing
> large stones at them, but that is the ultimate
> thrust of the Left's
> outcry against our use of this picture and against
> Islamo-Fascism
> Awareness Week in general. Such are the ironies of
> our troubled age.
>
> In this booklet are realities that should be of
> paramount concern not
> just for feminists in the West and their allies on
> the Left, but of
> all those who are concerned with the universality of
> human rights and
> the dignity of every human being.
>
> To read this booklet, click here.
>
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> Reserved.
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>
> --
> Yoshie
> <http://montages.blogspot.com/>
>
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