[lbo-talk] more on Obama's gun record

[John Thornton]

I'm not going to get into a pissing match over the 2nd amendment but I 
am well aware of 18th century prose and its construction and I disagree 
with your reading. Not because of any poor understanding, as you seem to 
think, do I hold the viewpoint that I do.
It has nothing to do with brainwashing either.
Talk of brainwashing is sort of a litmus test used to judge whether a 
conservation is worth pursuing.
This conversation just failed that test.

John Thornton

Eric Draitser wrote:
> its not about fighting the government on an individual basis, you know as
> well as i do that the last thing the governemtn would want is to get into a
> shooting war with its citizens.  any time that has happened, even on an
> individual scale like ruby ridge or waco, the governemtn loses all
> credibility and looks like the villain.  the point is not to fight the
> government yourself, the point is to not allow them to dictate your rights.
> and by the way, your reading of the second ammendment is absolute
> brainwashing propaganda, the second amendment is written in 18th century
> language where the first clause is not the subject, read any of the
> Federalist or Anti-Federalist papers, or anything Ben Franklin wrote the
> language structure is similar...the key point is not the "well-regulated
> militia" but rather the subject clause "the right of the people to keep and
> bear arms shall not be infringed" PERIOD!, any argument on this point is
> simply poor reading of the actual text
>
> On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 5:56 PM, John Thornton <jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>   
>> Who in our Govt. really believes my shotgun could be used to to any
>> effect if the Govt. wished to impose martial law?
>> Don't kid yourself indeed.
>> The 2nd amendment really says nothing about individual gun ownership.
>> It is about a collective right for militias not under federal control.
>>
>> All that said I don't believe gun confiscation is justified by the
>> imposition of martial law.
>>
>> John Thornton
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric Draitser wrote:
>>     
>>> finally something i agree with obama on, gun confiscation (aside from
>>>       
>> being
>>     
>>> blatantly unconstitutional) is one of the key obstacles to the
>>>       
>> imposition of
>>     
>>> martial law.  please dont kid yourselves, martial law is coming the next
>>> time there is a "terrorist attack" (whether or not you even believe that
>>> 9-11 wasn't an inside job).  all i know is, i dont want to end up in one
>>>       
>> of
>>     
>>> those cute little FEMA concentration camps, and if they confiscate guns
>>>       
>> you
>>     
>>> better believe that'll happen sooner rather than later.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com>
>>>       
>> wrote:
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>>>       
>>>> [also from the Politico piece]
>>>>
>>>> In the Senate, he and Clinton broke on one vote, in July 2006. Siding
>>>> with gun-rights advocates, Obama voted to prohibit the confiscation
>>>> of firearms during an emergency or natural disaster. Clinton was one
>>>> of 16 senators to oppose the amendment.
>>>>         
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